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happy hour
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If thats true....
Than that is the stupidest most useless garbage feature ever.
Than that is the stupidest most useless garbage feature ever.
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jpryor
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Tubes vs. Solid State
I wouldn't call it useless garbage at the risk of offending a quite large portion of the musical community who prefer tubes over solid state. Remember, this is an amp modeler. It is supposed to sound like those really expensive Marshall, Boogie, Soldano, Fender and Buddha heads. Marshalls are extremely noisy and unreliable. There is no disputing digital is cleaner than tubes, but why is Marshall still in business? Many people prefer tube sound. Fact of life.
I wouldn't call it useless garbage at the risk of offending a quite large portion of the musical community who prefer tubes over solid state. Remember, this is an amp modeler. It is supposed to sound like those really expensive Marshall, Boogie, Soldano, Fender and Buddha heads. Marshalls are extremely noisy and unreliable. There is no disputing digital is cleaner than tubes, but why is Marshall still in business? Many people prefer tube sound. Fact of life.
AlChuck
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jpryor,
I don't think happy hour means the modeling of tube circuits is useless, but the modeling of the warming up of tube circuits.
Why would you record while the amp is warming up if it's changing? You would want to wait until the amp has reached stability before recording it. Even if something that happens during the warm-up is desirable, it's transitory anyway and you could never count on having it happening as a tone thing for any longer than it takes the tubes to warm up.
Perhaps the warm-up thing is a just a natural consequence of the software algorithms used to emulate the amp's effect on the signal, but to have sought to do that purposely seems to me, like happy hour says, "the stupidest most useless garbage feature ever."
I don't think happy hour means the modeling of tube circuits is useless, but the modeling of the warming up of tube circuits.
Why would you record while the amp is warming up if it's changing? You would want to wait until the amp has reached stability before recording it. Even if something that happens during the warm-up is desirable, it's transitory anyway and you could never count on having it happening as a tone thing for any longer than it takes the tubes to warm up.
Perhaps the warm-up thing is a just a natural consequence of the software algorithms used to emulate the amp's effect on the signal, but to have sought to do that purposely seems to me, like happy hour says, "the stupidest most useless garbage feature ever."
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jpryor
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Point taken...
Agreed, I can see your point. I guess the whole discussion stemmed from the fact that the POD approach is based on new technology not present in any other piece of equipment on the market.
Agreed, I can see your point. I guess the whole discussion stemmed from the fact that the POD approach is based on new technology not present in any other piece of equipment on the market.
Wide Awake
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It shouldn't matter whether the technology is unique or not. SansAmp is all analog FET's and it can sound as much like a tube amp as any physical modeler. They all sound way different even if the goal is the same. That's why reviews are irrelevent other than telling you what features the thing offers.
r. jaybird wondered what pedals we were using in conjuntion with our amp simulators and I use;
Boss C-5 chorus ensemble
Boss BF-2 flanger
DOD distortion
Boss blues driver
ART Pro VLA compressor
Mutron bi-phase (I bought new in 1977 and is still ticking)
I'll switch to digital effects when hell freezes over.
r. jaybird wondered what pedals we were using in conjuntion with our amp simulators and I use;
Boss C-5 chorus ensemble
Boss BF-2 flanger
DOD distortion
Boss blues driver
ART Pro VLA compressor
Mutron bi-phase (I bought new in 1977 and is still ticking)
I'll switch to digital effects when hell freezes over.
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robert jaybird
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this "warming up" seems to be a flaw in the pods gain staging actually.if you have an art mp or a bluetube(or a real tube pre amp like the peavy model) then you can add some warmth character and drive.also dont forget EQ
do the yamaha dg and j-station have cabinet models?
that puts the pod over the top in my book. you can really orchestrate some unique textures by using different cabinet sounds.
to me the sans amp ,has its sound. you can mess with it all you want but it still sounds like the sans amp.the pod provides an orchestra of authentic guitar tones. the sans amp does not.
i own both the pod and sansamp btw.if i had to choose one id take the pod in an instant.to my ears the sans ampdoes not sound like a tube.
do the yamaha dg and j-station have cabinet models?
that puts the pod over the top in my book. you can really orchestrate some unique textures by using different cabinet sounds.
to me the sans amp ,has its sound. you can mess with it all you want but it still sounds like the sans amp.the pod provides an orchestra of authentic guitar tones. the sans amp does not.
i own both the pod and sansamp btw.if i had to choose one id take the pod in an instant.to my ears the sans ampdoes not sound like a tube.
Wide Awake
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I agree the Sansamp isn't nearly as versatile as Pod but I'll bet your were refering to the cheap Sansamp Classic and not the good one, the PSA-1 rackmount. The differences are huge, not just in tone but the way they respond to your playing. My biggest complaint with the PSA-1 is that it doesn't sustain like a real amplifier and it's really noticable. It's also probably over-priced considering what's for sale these days but it does nail that Marshall Plexi sound and to me that's worth the price of admission.
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robert jaybird
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It is the classic sans amp that i own correct.
I would also like to add that i find the pods efx not particularly pleasing(pod 2), though some i use.
I wonder about their effect pedal modelers.I havent heard one yet.im sceptical, but if it does cool things it may be add cost effective character.
I only use the pod for recording. For some reason it just comes off better than my amp with my mics in the room I use.
I would also like to add that i find the pods efx not particularly pleasing(pod 2), though some i use.
I wonder about their effect pedal modelers.I havent heard one yet.im sceptical, but if it does cool things it may be add cost effective character.
I only use the pod for recording. For some reason it just comes off better than my amp with my mics in the room I use.
mixmkr
we don't need rest!!
ok...so there is the availability to get two sounds out of the old POD with the same knob (only labeled on the POD pro supposedly). A previous post said to hold down the "hold" knob and turn the other knobs....MY Pod doesn't have a "hold" knob or button. So...how do you do it?
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Jim Marquard
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Hey mixmkr, to get to the POD's built in editing, hold down the tap/tempo button. Of course, this only works if you have upgraded to version 2.0
On the prior page it is mentioned that if you are trying to get the interaction between guitar and amp while you play you may want to try recording with your monitors on. In response to that I can say that it works and works well. I recorded a song this way the other day and it really added some "life" to the guitars and bass. Maybe its in my head, but I liked it.
Peace, Jim
On the prior page it is mentioned that if you are trying to get the interaction between guitar and amp while you play you may want to try recording with your monitors on. In response to that I can say that it works and works well. I recorded a song this way the other day and it really added some "life" to the guitars and bass. Maybe its in my head, but I liked it.
Peace, Jim
AlChuck
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robert jaybird,
jpryor wasn't talking about "warming up" in the sense of making the sound warm, smooth and tubelike -- he was talking about the warm-up period that tubes go through when you turn them on.
and jpryor, the POD's idea isn't unique or revolutionary, it's really an old idea that's only recently, with the advance of inexpensive computing power and speed, become feasible at realistic price points. The idea is that basically you can model the result of any physical process to a great degree of accuracy using the laws of physics and a computer that can perform the enormous number of calculations required. If it's a real-time process it has to do all that calculating very fast, too. The first products available on the market that did this kind of thing were the Roland V-something (I forget), a monophonic physical modeling synthesizer, and soon after, their VG-88 with its COSM (composite object sound modeling, I think?) architecture.
jpryor wasn't talking about "warming up" in the sense of making the sound warm, smooth and tubelike -- he was talking about the warm-up period that tubes go through when you turn them on.
and jpryor, the POD's idea isn't unique or revolutionary, it's really an old idea that's only recently, with the advance of inexpensive computing power and speed, become feasible at realistic price points. The idea is that basically you can model the result of any physical process to a great degree of accuracy using the laws of physics and a computer that can perform the enormous number of calculations required. If it's a real-time process it has to do all that calculating very fast, too. The first products available on the market that did this kind of thing were the Roland V-something (I forget), a monophonic physical modeling synthesizer, and soon after, their VG-88 with its COSM (composite object sound modeling, I think?) architecture.
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jpryor
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COSM vs. POD
Not to change the subject of the thread, but I have both the Roland GT-3 and the POD Pro 2.0. I prefer the modeling of the POD generally, but the GT-3 has some really good sounds. Any body care to discuss personal preferences or notable differences (good or bad) between Roland's COSM and Line 6's POD?
Not to change the subject of the thread, but I have both the Roland GT-3 and the POD Pro 2.0. I prefer the modeling of the POD generally, but the GT-3 has some really good sounds. Any body care to discuss personal preferences or notable differences (good or bad) between Roland's COSM and Line 6's POD?
Wide Awake
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I believe the first physical modeler was the Yamaha VL-1. It was a two-voice keyboard that tried to emulate saxiphone, flute, clarinet, and other woodwinds. It's imitations were amazingly detailed and expressive but was really difficult to play well.
Tom Hicks
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My brother bought an RMI Computer Keyboard in about '74 that used a laser light reading computer punch cards (remember those?)to produce 8 bit sounds.Simple waveforms like flute and organ sounded amazingly realistic but the 8 bi resolution was too low to do complicated waveforms like acoustic piano very well.It was really cool for its day.
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robert jaybird
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actually alchuck you misunderstood what i said.
The "warming up" is a Flaw in the pods gainstaging that can be overcome by adding a preamp and overdrivingn it, thus adding an additional gain stage.
a by product of this pre amp could also be a warmer sound.but, i did understand the idea of a tube amp warming up as ive owned a couple of tube amps over the years.
Btw, i have found out that the yamaha dg actually has MORE cabinet sims than the pod.I was playing with it and really liked how i could just design my own sounds with out having to overcome the pods gimmick of modeling particular amps.Too bad it doesnt have a noise gate...
Im really impressed by the yamaha box's sounds, perhaps more than the pods even.
The "warming up" is a Flaw in the pods gainstaging that can be overcome by adding a preamp and overdrivingn it, thus adding an additional gain stage.
a by product of this pre amp could also be a warmer sound.but, i did understand the idea of a tube amp warming up as ive owned a couple of tube amps over the years.
Btw, i have found out that the yamaha dg actually has MORE cabinet sims than the pod.I was playing with it and really liked how i could just design my own sounds with out having to overcome the pods gimmick of modeling particular amps.Too bad it doesnt have a noise gate...
Im really impressed by the yamaha box's sounds, perhaps more than the pods even.
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Wes
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robert jaybird
I don't want to totally give away how I'm getting my sound but have you tried using the Line 6 sounds instead of the models?
I don't want to totally give away how I'm getting my sound but have you tried using the Line 6 sounds instead of the models?
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robert jaybird
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Yeah ive used the linr 6 sounds.theyre nice, infact all the sounds are nice.
plug in direct and get an easy nice tone.
But, if i want to add some character then i will use my amp better or worse.The pod is good but when i REALLY listen theres something in its sound that bugs me.when recording though its different, sort of.
plug in direct and get an easy nice tone.
But, if i want to add some character then i will use my amp better or worse.The pod is good but when i REALLY listen theres something in its sound that bugs me.when recording though its different, sort of.
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Wes
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Why not put your POD in front of your amp?
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robert jaybird
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well my ampeg vlz-1200 is capable of some cool sounds when cranked.Its clean sounds blow away the pods. Its gain only sounds good when cranked though, and I'm not in that situation...
but!!!!!!
Im gonna save up for this!!!!!!
ta da
http://www.mesaboogie.com/Product_Info/Formula/formula.html
it has 512ax7 tubes and 3 channels
the pod is also cool, it just depends on my mood and what i want to play with
but!!!!!!
Im gonna save up for this!!!!!!
ta da
http://www.mesaboogie.com/Product_Info/Formula/formula.html
it has 512ax7 tubes and 3 channels
the pod is also cool, it just depends on my mood and what i want to play with
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Wes
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LOL! Very nice.
I like the Flextone though. ;-]
I like the Flextone though. ;-]