PLEASE!!!! Help me, I am new to this

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Hi,

Alright so i am just starting recording.

I have a Mackie 406m powered mixer.

I was wondering if you guys could tell me how I can record EACH INPUT (instrument) on a different track on my computer?

Also I know I will need a sound card, so any good ones CHEAP you can suggest?


And the second questions is what if I am recording on my laptop, is there something else I could use, because I wouldnt be able to put a sound card in my laptop.


I asked someone about my powered mixer and they said that if I were to plug in my 1/4 inch cables HALF WAY in the inputs that than they would give me output for THAT SPECIFIC input. But if I were to plug it in all the way it would do an output on the whole 6 cchannels.


THANK YOU!
 
Well for starters the "BIG PANICKED POST TITLES" Don't make for great friends round here. :rolleyes:

And to be of help:

Most powered mixers don't make for the best "Multi-Tracking mixers" unless they have multiple line outputs(Never hook up the speaker outs to a sound cards in's, Just in case you were think of doing that. Bad Idea) .

I can't really recommend anything CHEAP as that's a naughty word when it comes to recording....

Who ever told you that about Half plugging either didn't know what he was saying or was referring to the "Inserts" on a mixer which in some cases does work(Or with modded cables does work sometimes). But unless your laptop has six inputs that wouldn't work anyways.

Sorry there's no way to split a two bus mixers outs in software or physically.

As far as laptop sound card or interface, There are many many options. USB and Firewire.

You could get a 4 to 8 input audio interfaces that USB 2.0 or Firewire and do what your talking about and skip using the Mixer all together.

I would recommend reading up on technology before digging in to deep, There is much to be read here and do some searches.:D
 
Yo N.tah.mass! What Blazing Strings is trying to tell you is essentially true. A powered mixer is exactly the reverse of what you need for multitrack recording. Its mission is to take a bunch of signals and make them into 2 (or more) that output enough power to drive speaker arrays. A recording console (a big-ass studio mixer) Is designed to take a bunch of signals and route them to a number of *line level* outputs. Sometimes, two or more signals (channels) are routed to a single output, called a "bus". So, a 16 X 4 mixer has 16 inputs, that have to be routed to 4 outputs or busses. A recording interface is designed to send a number of signals to a computer in some digital format, so those separate signals can be processed separately, and then mixed to 2 (usually)- left and right- which is the audio format used by most commercial sound systems. Four is really cool, but it's a bitch with headphones-you have to have four ears.

A multitrack recorder is the same thing, but with a specialized (and limited in certain ways) computer built in. Both systems contain preamplifiers (as does a mixing console) to raise the weak signal produced by microphones to line level, and then an analog to digital (A-D) converter to turn that line level input into digital code that the computer can understand.

The bottom line- how much this costs is a function of: 1. how many simultaneous inputs do you get? 2. How good are the preamps? 3. How good is the A-D conversion? 4. How good is the rest of the hardware in the system (potentiometers, switches, faders, etc.)? The frightening truth in recording- One *channel* and its associated hardware, preamps, and A-D conversion can vary in price from about $50 to $5000 or more. This is not counting the mics, which can cost about the same per channel. Most inexpensive interfaces will only allow 2 channels of simultaneous recording. Mid-priced systems, up to $1000 or so, usually allow up to 8 channels at one time. As the numbers above indicate, that means that those 8 channels are *not* using top-notch preamps, A-D conversion, and hardware, by a long shot. In the $2500 range and up, you start to see interfaces that can handle up to 16 simultaneous ins, but usually require additional outboard preamps.

This is why most folks who aren't millionaires usually start with 4-8 channels, and use mixing buses to combine some groups of signals (drums are the biggest channel eater), or record the parts individually using headphones and guide tracks and/or click tracks, and mix it later. It has taken me 6 years and about $40,000 dollars to get to the pont where I can record 18 simultaneous inputs, with a few of them going through a top-notch signal chain, and to achieve a room that sounds good enough to make all that hardware worth the expense and effort.

My best advice to you is to get a moderately priced interface that uses firewire and has 8 inputs. Then acquire the best mics you can for whatever it is you want to record, and start modifying the room where you are going to record stuff to reduce nasty reflections. Expect to spend a lot of money on peripherals (cables, headphone distribution, stuff you never thought of). The frightening fact is that to do what you are asking, and do it well enough to make it worth the trouble, *isn't* cheap. The good news is- it's cheaper than it used to be.

People around here have heard the question you have asked put 1000 different ways. The problem is that what I hear when I read it is- " I want to build a race car like the big boys. I don't want to race in the Indy 500 or anything, I just want to go around the track real fast, and it would be real cool to have my tires and oil changed in 18 seconds. I want to spend under $1000. What should I buy first? Oh, and I already own a Dodge Caravan with 100,000 miles on it."

Understand this- I'm not trying to bust your balls, nor am I making a joke out of your question. I'm trying to help you, and that help often begins with a reality check. Good luck.-Richie
 
Listen to Richie, his honesty is brutal but it is spot on. There is quite a bit more involved in setting up a home studio than most of us realized when we first started.
 
All good advise, above, but no one has yet made any specific suggestions as to what would be good to use INSTEAD of the powered mixer. I have three suggestions:

If using desktop computer- score a Digidesign Digi001. Can be found for $100. Be sure you get the computer card, documentation, all discs and cable with it.

Laptop Alesis US122 (only two channels) or Digi002 (much more $- about $700 or so.) No sound card needed, both are USB.

Have fun.
 
Fair advice from Stevie B, except one error. Digi002 uses firewire, not USB, so you need a computer that is firewire enabled, which eliminates a lot of laptops and desktops, especially older ones. It also requires a pretty fast processor and a bunch of RAM. It has 4 preamps, 4 line ins which require outboard preamps, and optical ADAT in for another 8 channels, if you have an 8 channel preamp with optical ADAT out. There are, incedentally, 2 more available inputs for S/PDIF, a digital format that can use an RCA cable or an optical transfer. My studio is built around a Digi002, and the above is how I get my 18 simultaneous channels in. The four channels of Analog in are the key (channels 5-8), because they allow me to use really good preamps without going through the 002's pres. Probably 90% of what I record goes through an Avalon AD2022 or a Joemeek twinQ into channels 5-8. I only use the other channels when I need a bunch of inputs, and have no other choice.-Richie
 
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