Please Help: Connecting Neutrik Patchbay to AW16G!!

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Hey guys, I need serious mojo and advice...

I've got the following external equipment:
(1) Behringer Headphone amp (HA4600/Power Play Pro)
(1) Behringer Virtualizer Pro (DSP2024P)
(1) Samson Stereo [Compressor/Limiter/Expander/Gate] (S Com Plus)
(1) dbx Provocal [mic pre/tube emulator]
(1) TC Helicon Voiceworks [Harmony/Correction/Effects processor]

Last week, thinking that it would be easier to invest in a patchbay, instead of going behind my external equipment all the time, and hardwiring it from the external equipment to the 16G, went out and bought a Neutrik Patchbay (NYS-SPP-L1), thinking that would be much more flexible.
When I came home, I was expecting the instruction manual to be easy to follow installing a patchbay, what turns out to be, is that I have no idea on how to connect all my external equipment that I have to the patchbay.

What I really need is someone to please walk me through making the proper connections from the 16G to the patchbay to my external equipment.

I understand the front of the patchbay has 2 rows, 24 connectors each..
so the top row has 24, and the bottom row has 24...the top row is labled A..and the top row is labled B.

According to the documents and info that I have been reading for a week now, the top front row is usually used for outputs, while the bottom front row is usually used for inputs.

When I look at the rear of the patchbay, i'm totally lost,
cause it shows the same exact layout, as the front of that patchbay,
I have no idea if the rears are outputs only, or inputs & outputs.

Would anybody please have time to reply back and offer advice on the best way to connect an external patchbay to the 16G and then to my various external equipment?

Thank you so very much for help in advance, this forums a great place to be.
 
Take a look at this: http://cachepe.zzounds.com/media/210_11538-ff30a40dbd6ee27e4db472392c6e3d67.pdf

You should be able to configure the behavior of each set of jacks (1-24) by flipping a card inside. The 'split' mode may be of most interest to you--it will allow you to connect an input on the front and have it sent out the corresponding jack on the back as well as the jack above your front connection.

I'm planning on building a rack containing this patch bay when I can get the money together, and I'll be using this mode to connect my mixer's buss outputs to the B set of jacks on the front and split the signal out the back to the audio interface that will also live in the rack and out the corresponding A jacks on the front to my analog machine, so I will be able to record either to digital or analog from the same source without needing to do any repatching. A patch bay should be able to make your setup very flexible.
 
I just went through a similar problem about a month ago. I'm going to try to explain how to do it without pictures, in simple words.

The only thing I know how to do with a patchbay is make "normal" connections.

Normal means that your shit is "normally" hooked up in such a way. The usual.

Let's look at the rear of the patch bay first.

The rule of thumb is that the top ones are ALWAYS outputs, and the bottom ones are ALWAYS inputs.

So suppose you have a compressor to hook up to that bitch. You take a cord and you run it from the output of the patch bay into the input of the compressor.

Then you take a cord and you run it from the output of the compressor into the input of the patch bay.

Now stand back and admire your handiwork.

Now let's look at the front of the patch bay.

Again, the top are outputs, and the bottom are inputs.

So, you plug your signal line into the bottom of your compressor section.

What it does is, when you plug it in, it runs that signal to the output section in the back, through the compressor, and back into the input of the back.

Then, you plug another cable into the output of the front of the bay, and from there you can plug it wherever you want.

So, the "normal" function helps you to do this:

You can label the front of your patch bay, and put that baby in the rack. Then you make all of your "normal" connections. Which you hook up the inputs and outputs of each device to a corresponding channel on your patch bay.

In my studio I do this.

1. Pre Amp 1
2. Pre Amp 2
3. Compressor Channel 1
4. Compressor Channel 2
5. EQ Channel 1
6. EQ Channel 2
7. Reverb
8. Distortion Box

etc.

Each of them are connected "normally" to the patch bay.

So when I want to design a signal chain that say, goes from a mic to a compressor, the compressor to the eq, the eq to the reverb and then back, this is how I connect it.

I plug the input into the input (bottom) of channel one, then the output (top) of channel one into the input (bottom) of channel 2, and then the output (top) of channel 2 into the input of channel 5 (bottom, EQ channel 1), and then the output (top) of channel 5 into the input (bottom) of channel 7 (reverb). Then you take the output (top) of channel 7 and run that back to your mixer/multitrack/dog's asshole. Wherever you want it to go. :eek:

It's all about speed. Once you see it for what it is it is incredibly simple. But, like you, when I bought my first one about a month ago I had NO FUCKING CLUE how to hook that bad boy up.

Hope that helps.

Also, there are a lot of diagrams on the web. Somebody made a sticky of a patchbay post, which is where I think I found a diagram that explained it to me.
 
starbuck26 said:
I plug the input into the input (bottom) of channel one, then the output (top) of channel one into the input (bottom) of channel 2, and then the output (top) of channel 2 into the input of channel 5 (bottom, EQ channel 1), and then the output (top) of channel 5 into the input (bottom) of channel 7 (reverb). Then you take the output (top) of channel 7 and run that back to your mixer/multitrack/dog's asshole. Wherever you want it to go. :eek:


Already I see I made a mistake. I meant Channel 3 when I wrote Channel 2. Though it hardly matters.
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WOW..thank you guys so VERY much for this info..it was very much helpful, I appreciate all the time that you spent on my question...One last question..
The desk I use is the AW16G, it does not have any inserts, but its got a stereo/aux out, its limiting cause you can either have the stereo out, or the aux out, but not both.
so i've got an unbalanced cable from the aux out on the 16G to the input on my Voiceworks TC Helicon Voiceworks processors, and then I send the outputs, using balanced cables into the patchbay on the back...the patchbay works like a charm, not sure if its bal or unbal, will have to check that out..and then I use my headphones out jack from the AW16G to my Behringer headphone amp..sofar, thats the only way I can trick it.
Also..When I connected my aux outs from the 16G into an input on the Voiceworks, (using unbalanced cables), and then connected the output of the Voiceworks to an open input on the 16G (using unbalanced cables), I'm hearing a harmonic sound, its not a buzz, its more like a pitch...its very faint, and I'm thinking its becuase the aux output of the 16G is unbalanced, so thats causing the Voiceworks to sound that way?
 
I'm sorry, but I don't follow you. Could you explain it a little more simply, step-by-step? :confused:
 
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