Pitch Tracking Plug-in?!

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I'm curious to find a simple plug-in that simply reads a waveform and displays the pitches graphically.. I know that pitch correction software does this, but I don't want an "auto tune," I simply want to see patterns in singing flat or sharp, but graphically. When I do have a bum note here and there, I typically use a simple pitch shifter plug-in to bump the note within a semi-tone up or down to get it spot on (anything more than a half step up or down starts sounding like a sped up or slowed down tape whether it be sharp or flat). If I had a graphical display of the pitches then I could do this manual tuning a little easier..
 
I just run an autotuner (such as Gsnap) with the autotuner off, and it'll track the pitch anyway (there's two lines, original pitch and modified pitch, with the tuner turned off you still get the original pitch).
 
Yes Yes I know melodyne is amazing, I've seen it in action but I like manually tuning the occasional bum note using a pitch shifter. Using melodyne or antares auto-tune, or tc helicon voicetone, would require me purchasing something lol Theres just sometimes where the last half of a note goes up or down and it's hard pinpointing by hear, so a graphical display of the pitch would be helpful. Just downloaded GSnap, doesn't seem to work correctly. The correcting is cutting in and out..
 
scottmd06 said:
it's hard pinpointing by hear
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Then leave it as it is :D If there's major problems, you'll know and just shift the
pitch manually until it sounds right.

Training your ears to musical pitch is invaluable. Your ears are more powerful
than any plug-in that's out there, unless you're deaf :D

The best engineers never really mix by the meters, the use their ears to
find the right levels. Apply the same to your pitches and you'll be fine. If it
helps, find a friend who has good pitching or even ask somebody here how it
sounds. If you rely on plug-ins now you'll rely on them for the rest of your
engineering days.

My two cents. Good luck ;)
 
I agree with you 100% its just the tricky sections where while I was singing, my voice dipped a little half way through a note and I can't pinpoint the exact millisecond that I went flat so I can highlight that data and adjust it so graphical display would help in that way =)
 
scottmd06 said:
Yes Yes I know melodyne is amazing, I've seen it in action but I like manually tuning the occasional bum note using a pitch shifter. Using melodyne or antares auto-tune, or tc helicon voicetone, would require me purchasing something lol Theres just sometimes where the last half of a note goes up or down and it's hard pinpointing by hear, so a graphical display of the pitch would be helpful. Just downloaded GSnap, doesn't seem to work correctly. The correcting is cutting in and out..
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I have melodyne and it's awesome. Check their website to see if you can download a 14 day trial demo. Most audio plugin companies offer a 14 day demo. I think melodyne is exactly what you need for what you described. :D
 
None of my business but, Why not learn to sing on pitch? I'm not being a smart ass here but there can be reasons in the other tracks causing your problems. Try muting the bass track while your singing or just sing with the basic rythym section(providing that it's in tune. also, singing the track until you get it right will help train your ear and voice. many a hit record by pro vocalists took a good many takes before approval. hope this helps.
 
Terry Wetzel said:
None of my business but, Why not learn to sing on pitch? I'm not being a smart ass here but there can be reasons in the other tracks causing your problems. Try muting the bass track while your singing or just sing with the basic rythym section(providing that it's in tune. also, singing the track until you get it right will help train your ear and voice. many a hit record by pro vocalists took a good many takes before approval. hope this helps.
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What that guy said :)
 
Terry Wetzel said:
None of my business but, Why not learn to sing on pitch? I'm not being a smart ass here but there can be reasons in the other tracks causing your problems. Try muting the bass track while your singing or just sing with the basic rythym section(providing that it's in tune. also, singing the track until you get it right will help train your ear and voice. many a hit record by pro vocalists took a good many takes before approval. hope this helps.
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Great point....I totally agree. But, I don't think all of us are "pro vocalists". We just need an extra helping hand to get things done correctly.
 
Why does one have to be a "pro vocalist" to know how to sing?

And, if one can't yet quite nail a song without going flat or sharp, wouldn't it make sense to practice a little more first before recording?

Even pros make mistakes every once in a while; nobody is saying that one has to be flawless all the time. But if you make a mistake, re-take. Or punch in. If after three takes or punches one just can't get it without error, or without naturally being able to recover in a way where the mistake sounds fine, then they are probably not yet ready to record.

G.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
Why does one have to be a "pro vocalist" to know how to sing?

And, if one can't yet quite nail a song without going flat or sharp, wouldn't it make sense to practice a little more first before recording?

Even pros make mistakes every once in a while; nobody is saying that one has to be flawless all the time. But if you make a mistake, re-take. Or punch in. If after three takes or punches one just can't get it without error, or without naturally being able to recover in a way where the mistake sounds fine, then they are probably not yet ready to record.

G.
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As amazing as technology has become, and it's role in the development of the
music industry for the better, this is one of the ways that technology is
ruining music. "Fix it in the mix" is a term that should be buried, and most
engineers agree. So how come it's acceptable to turn shit to perfection these
days?
 
philbagg said:
A"Fix it in the mix" is a term that should be buried, and most
engineers agree.
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It's gotten even worse these days, Phil. Hell, I remember people arguing about "fix it in the mix" 35 years ago! (Of course back then, all the arguing was in magazine "letters to the Editor" as this was well before Internet forums or even dial up BBSs :) ) Now days, it seems to be "fix it and mix it in mastering". The next step? "Fix it in the download". We're half way there already... :(
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So how come it's acceptable to turn shit to perfection these days?
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Because the "artists" these days don't make music, they make recordings. You're a nobody unless you have something up on me-me-meSpace, even if you have to fake it. Better to be a fake than to have nothing at all, seems to be the thinking of The Entitled Ones.

Remember, these are the same folks who think their Tweet that says "I'm tired, I'm going to bed." is something that the world wants to hear and needs to hear now. Then they got all huffy when Taylor Swift gets all the glory instead.

G.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
It's gotten even worse these days, Phil. Hell, I remember people arguing about "fix it in the mix" 35 years ago! (Of course back then, all the arguing was in magazine "letters to the Editor" as this was well before Internet forums or even dial up BBSs :) ) Now days, it seems to be "fix it and mix it in mastering". The next step? "Fix it in the download". We're half way there already... :(Because the "artists" these days don't make music, they make recordings. You're a nobody unless you have something up on me-me-meSpace, even if you have to fake it. Better to be a fake than to have nothing at all, seems to be the thinking of The Entitled Ones.
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You should be able to put up the faders and have it sound decent before even starting a mix.
 
philbagg said:
You should be able to put up the faders and have it sound decent before even starting a mix.
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Yep, absolutely. In fact, it's the mixes that practically mix themselves at faders up that typically wind up being the best ones at the end.

Don't take what I said earlier as my condoning the way things are, they were just an observation of the way things are.

G.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
Yep, absolutely. In fact, it's the mixes that practically mix themselves at faders up that typically wind up being the best ones at the end.

Don't take what I said earlier as my condoning the way things are, they were just an observation of the way things are.

G.
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Of course, we must change with the industry :D
 
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