pink floyd technique

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my drummer friend said he was watching an interview of the drummer of floyd and he said that he dampened his drums so that there was like no ring at all

and then they could control the amount of ring they wanted by adjusting the reverb on each tom


good idea?

anyone ever try this?

is my friend a liar?
 
It is extremely easy to get better definition from the drums doing this (I use to use this method when playing live, with no bottom heads either for better projection). I don't use this method for recording though, because yes you have a little more control over the overtones, but it is those same overtones that are being eliminated that interact with the other drums to give your kit a more lively feeling (i.e. one toms resonance, creating overtones in adjacent toms, and causing the snares to vibrate). Muting the drums like that causes a very flat sound which might be harder to liven up with FX than just recording the drums naturally. However I could see this method being more beneficial, if recording drums in a room that is far from being ideal, as eliminating most of the drums overtones might compensate for problems such as poor diffussion, etc. However that would be the wrong solution as the room should be fixed first.
 
I Live by this...
all of the bands that I love used to treat theire drums like this.
I`ve even heard of a group called the strawbs, who used wet clothes on theire top skins to get the deadest sound ever.
It sounded very cool.
I guess it was widely used in the early 70`s.
The dampening not the wet clothes.
 
Ringo always recorded with a tea towel laying over the snare. Another method was to lay a wallet on the snare. It was very common in the 80's to put duct tape on the drum heads to deaden them up. To this day I often put a towel over the snare.
 
cool .... very cool guys im gonna have to try this out

..... do you guys just use computer effects when you do this technique

or do you have rack units?

i have Lexicon Pantheon reverb on the computer will this work good enough?
 
I would say that the super damped sound works great for Pink Floyd. If that's the sound you're going for, them damp 'em. If you're trying to be Led Zeppelin, then not so much.

Another factor is what types of heads are being used. Single plys will probably have too much ring, while coated or double ply heads may not require extra damping.

I've made some recordings where the drums were overdamped and I regretted it. Hard to extract a live tone from a drum that has none.
 
PhiloBeddoe said:
I've made some recordings where the drums were overdamped and I regretted it. Hard to extract a live tone from a drum that has none.
This is EXTREMELY true. As in all things, you have to use your ears and not just blindly kill the drums.
 
Track Rat said:
This is EXTREMELY true. As in all things, you have to use your ears.


wouldnt be the first time i heard that!!! :D


thanks again guys
 
sometimes the resonace of a drum set can pose plenty of problems. a tom with a long decay can quickly get lost or cause freq problems with other sources, a snare with to much ring can just sound damn anoying, pinging away through the song, a kick with to much resonence can leave the feeling of no real depth and impact. its good to start with an un muted set, tune it so the decay doesnt drop in pitch (bottom to lose), so the pitch is even with the top head or tuned slightly above the top head. this will hopefully give you an even, crisp shell tone. then record a few minutes of the kit, listen for weak, to open sounds. start with light dampaning (moon gels) then head for the roll of gaff tape. try not to get rid of to much of the shells tone. imo a kit thats to dry loses it musicality. try to leave a bit of shell tones. less for rock, more for jazz or acoustics. when mixing if the ring is bugin you add a gate to it and try to pull out some of the shell (this is just for close miced toms). gate it out and add a bit of verb to give the attack a deacy as oppose to the shells decay.
 
Excellent, I love the early '70s Strawbs stuff. Drums should be dry, tight, not struck too hard, with reverb/artistic fx mixed in later...
In my experience the tea towels and clothes work better than tape or dampening rings, but there are oodles of drums out there...

just opinions
Adam

Nakatira said:
I Live by this...
all of the bands that I love used to treat theire drums like this.
I`ve even heard of a group called the strawbs, who used wet clothes on theire top skins to get the deadest sound ever.
It sounded very cool.
I guess it was widely used in the early 70`s.
The dampening not the wet clothes.
 
would it be a terrible idea to take the bottom heads off and mic it from the inside of the shell? :confused:
 
Nick The Man said:
would it be a terrible idea to take the bottom heads off and mic it from the inside of the shell? :confused:


No go ahead, many albums have been recorded like that.

I havent tried it yet, but I`ve seen some of my faves doing it.

when I can afford mor mic stands I will do just that.
 
Nakatira said:
No go ahead, many albums have been recorded like that.

I havent tried it yet, but I`ve seen some of my faves doing it.

when I can afford mor mic stands I will do just that.

thanks again :)
 
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