Phonic Helix Board 18 firewire

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Newbie Looking for a easy set up. This phonic helix Looks like a good deal but it is cheap enough I am wondering how good the sound quality is. They are priced at 460.00! Has anyone taken the plunge? Anything to report? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks cudaaa
 
I have one - it's a review model the company sent me for a Website I write for.

So far I'd say it's so-so. The sound is decent, but when we record the same stuff through my friend's Digi002 setup, the difference in quality is noticeable. The Phonic is noisier and not as warm sounding.

The firewire out works right out of the box with my Mac, no drivers needed, and provides 16 ins and 2 outs as advertised. I'm having some issues once I try to record more than 4 or 5 channels at once, though. Not yet sure if it's the board or my computer setup. The digging I've done so far indicates that it might be the board, because I'm getting some weird device change messages in the logs of my DAW software, but I'm not sure yet.
 
It's relative..

I recorded a whole cd with the on board sound card and got so..so results and then bought this Helix 18. I sat down with my singer last night and layed down tracks for piano and guitar and vocals, and I was amazed. Tailor my amazement with what I came from. I like the ability to use it as a stand alone mixer, the digital effects are a little harsh, but I route them through the sub buss and bring them back around on one of the channels and mix them with the main vocal track in my software, by recording two channels at once. So I can control the depth of the effect. It gave a nice result. What I am having trouble figuring out is how to get the proper level on firewire, it looks like you just crank the gain control for the channel, while monitoring with headphones so that you don't add a large amount of hiss from too high of a gain setting. If I read the book that might help too. I was looking at the price of the Alesis board and this board, and this one was about $50 cheaper, with what I perceived were more features. Am I screaming with joy...well...no...but I am pretty darn happy with it, and as i gain more experience that may change too. Setup was a breeze..cubase appears to suck, I use a program called Magix audio studio and it is a breeze to use, plus it's cheap, which are my two main criteria.
 
I have had this unit for abou 45 days! I have had nothing but problems with it. Using this unit on a pc one day it would work fine the next the pc would not see it as a sound card or sonar would not see the phonic! Tech support said there was nothing wrong with there drivers & had not heard of any such problems! & then magic 3 weeks later when I was talking to them they have major driver issues with pc not mack! New drivers were do to come out Last week but I have not seen them yet. So I sent the phonic back monday. I am now looking for a differant option! :mad: Sorry to vent but I do feel better now! :p
Thanks cudaaa
 
I've started having trouble with mine, using it with my Mac. Seems like the firewire jacks on the mixer are VERY shaky. I've had two recording sessions bail out in the middle of various tracks, and looking at the system logs, the computer kept "detecting new audio device" over and over ... literally 100 or so times in a 2 hour session.

So I did some testing and both firewire jacks on the mixer are very susceptible to the cable comnig loose, resulting in the board disappearing from the computer's system bus or -- worse yet -- nasty digital distortion in the recording with no warning that anything's wrong.

Testing at home today I had no problems, great signal, etc. What I'm worried about is going back into the studio and having even the vibrations of the drums and amps jiggle the firewire cable loose enough to cause problems. Egads.
 
cudaaa said:
I have had this unit for abou 45 days! I have had nothing but problems with it. Using this unit on a pc one day it would work fine the next the pc would not see it as a sound card or sonar would not see the phonic! Tech support said there was nothing wrong with there drivers & had not heard of any such problems! & then magic 3 weeks later when I was talking to them they have major driver issues with pc not mack! New drivers were do to come out Last week but I have not seen them yet. So I sent the phonic back monday. I am now looking for a differant option! :mad: Sorry to vent but I do feel better now! :p
Thanks cudaaa


Hello All,
I think it fair to let you all know up front I am with Phoinc. I work in the R&D, and any drivers that come out from Phonic will be released by myself.

We released a new version a while back to support the 64 bit implementation of ASIO for use on Windows XP 64 bit addition for both Intel and AMD chips. This is the only update we ever made and was not related to any problems with the originals. Cudaaa, I'm sorry things didn't work out on your mixer, but thought I should point out, your post is misinformation plain and simple. We have had almost no customer issues come up on the Helix drivers, which was lucky for me I guess.

Michael
 
Im sorry if I am misinformed! But if I am wrong about this it is because of your tech support! Because that is where I got the info I would gladly of worked with them! But when they tell you that PC drivers are haveing lots of problems and they did not know how to help me because of that! So if I were you I would be talking to them!
I tryed this unit on 3 different PCs! I am not new to computers at all! So to me it looks like driver problems! Or a bad board! cudaaa
 
I've had the board for over a month now and have had no problems with it at all. I use it a lot with Adobe Audition 1.5 and have not had the first glitch with it with that software.

I did have a few problems with pops and clicks in playback after recording with an old copy of Sonar 2.2 but have solved that by upgrading to Sonar 5 stutio edition.

Just and opinion,,,,, but I think the biggest problem most people have is not reading the manual, or any manual for that matter. We all have a tendency when we get something new to just jerk it out of the box, plug it in and expect to go to work.

Actually,,,,, this board did that for me. It just took me some reading to discover that none of the channel sliders, EQ or FX knobs have anything to do with the what goes out by firewire. The theory in firewire recording is that you want to send as pure a signal as possible to the computer track by track. then Mix and Master afterwards.

The firewire drivers and the signals I get from this piece of equipment are good. You just have to remember that the only thing that has anything to do with what you are sending to the computer is the channel gain control at the Mic or line Preamp level.

The rest of the board is just an average mixer. So if Firewire is all you want........go with a small firewire box because all the rest of the knobs and sliders on the Phonic board will do you no good for that type aplication. It is, however a pretty good little submixer for use as a stage monitor system or something of that nature.

As for Alesis, I tried two of those first and sent them both back because of driver problems which their tech support told me were Microsoft problems with XP SP2.

If you research and do a little google work there are a lot of firewire boxes out there that do nothing but send a firewire signal and do that well......but they're more expensive. I bought the Helix because it's a good buy for the money, as I can use it for a small monitor mix if I do a playing job out somewhere or use it to send firewire signals to my pc in the studio.

I build custom background music for commercial projects and have been doing so for years using a Fostex D-160 recorder with an Alesis Studio 24 mixer and then transferring my tracks, 8 at a time to computer by ADAT lightpipe in order to work on the tracks seperately with software. That's a lot of extra work that Firewire saves me from doing.

I don't work for Phonic, as Michael S does but I am happy with the Helix board and it serves my purpose. I will say, that while researching and deciding what to buy I called Phonic Tech Support because I wanted to know if it would work using a 6 pin to 4 pin firewire cable if I decided to do something with my laptop with it. I got a person on the phone who spoke perfect English and didn't have to listen to bad elevator music on hold for an hour waiting to talk to someone, and he answered all my questions. When I tried to get someone at Alesis while I was trying out their Multimix boards, it took over an hour to talk to someone and then he blamed it on Windows XP.

Like I said....Just my opinions. Hope they might help some of you. Firewire will be a great technology, but right now it's a baby that needs to grow so be prepared to grow with it. Computing has come a long way since my first Commadore 64 and the old IBM and Tandy days. I know there are some of you out there like me who are old enough to remember those :-)
 
Hi Cudaaa,
Yes I agree, the advice offered to you was way off the mark and no fault of yours. I have been kind of itching to ask who it was who provided it to you. I try to keep an eye on our helpdesk questions on our website, a response like the one you received would have had me screaming blue murder and added to that you appear to have had a problem with the board, I don't blame you at all for your comments.

In fact, I should say thanks to all those that post, although our return rate is below 1% across our product range, issues we spot in the forums quite often are from our customers who are experiencing a problem and we get the opportunity to follow up with QC and our tech support.


Michael
 
Micheal if I could remember who I talked to I would gladly tell you but I don't. I wish it would of worked for me but it did not. If the support would have been there I would of gladly tryed a new board. I guess we both loose. sorry for that!
Thanks for your imput cudaaa
 
EDIT: Found answer to my problems... thanks guys!

https://homerecording.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=1098444&postcount=2


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Gentlemen,

I am sorry for bringing up this topic cause I am seeing everyone having good use of the Helix board with Audition 1.5. The problem though is that I still cannot seem to get my Audition 1.5 to function correctly using the multi-track view of the software. In our band, we have 7 tracks that we need to record.

In audition, I do to the multi track view and then set up the devices as well as the order. I chose the

helix channel 1/2
helix channel 3/4
helix channel 5/6
helix channel 7/8
helix channel mainmix

I did not know what this x/x meant as I expected all channels to be simply separate.

I figured that I would investigate and installed the Cubase LE that came with the Helix. I then seen that channel 1/2 means channel 1 and 2 on the first input and channel 3 and 4 on the 2nd input etc. Thus , from our previous Beringer mixer the individual channels were setup as follows

drums miced into 1,2,3
the bass direct into 4
1st guitar miced into 5
2nd guitar miced into 6
vocals miced into 7

We would simply recourd everyone via the main mix. Thuus if the balance was funked up so would the mix. Thus some recording have vocals to loud or drums too loud or guitars too loud. It was always tough. Thus we bought the Helix.

Now we can multi track each instrument and then balance out via editing. Well in each track on the multi-track view, I setup the input as follows:

Track 1 input 1/2
Track 2 input 1/2
Track 3 input 3/4
Track 4 input 3/4
Track 5 input 5/6
Track 6 input 5/6
Track 7 input 7/8

This is where things get funked up. I cannot seem to get any output on the channels. The drums seem to come through good on track 1 and 2, but the rest of the tracks seem to not have anything recorded.

I place the main mix on the edit view and I get great recording from all instruments, but of course everyone is in the same mix simular to how we use to record prior to replacing the beringer.

I seen enough post around to know that audition does works but why is it not working for me.

My machine is a Windows XP SP1 with 1.8gHz Athlon XP CPU running 1024 MB 400 DDR. It is a stand alone machine that has no use other than recording the band in the studio. I have no problems with Firewire connections and tried all ports just to verify. I have 2 ports on the PCI card in the machine and 2 in back of the Helix. All respond the same

I did see something about disabling the Midi and I am down to do that but do not really understand why, but as we do not use midi this would not be a problem.

We have always recorded on the one track on the previous Beringer Mixer. We just upgraded to this so we could get our instuments on sep tracks so we could mix a better sounding demo.

Any and all help is much obliged.

Thanks,

FM3
 
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No 64 bit drivers for Helix FW 18 Mixer

Hello Michael, after a few days of trying to get help from the only person in support at Phonic, a guy named Mark, I got an email from Iris. There is no 64 bit driver available for Helix 18 FW Mixer... period, when they get one they will put on download.

I don't know why you posted this misinformation since I ended up spending a ton of money on Phonic Helix 18 Firewire, Audition, and a real nice 2 GB RAM, Intel Dual Core 3Ghz, XP PRO 64 Edition, 80G DAW for nothing. I even called Phonic directly six times and offered to beta the driver since I am upside down big $$bux, and time... because there is no support for the 64 bit paperweight I now own. If this is a big error from Iris, please to let me know how to get the correct device driver(s) Thanks, Chris

Michael_S said:
Hello All,
I think it fair to let you all know up front I am with Phoinc. I work in the R&D, and any drivers that come out from Phonic will be released by myself.

We released a new version a while back to support the 64 bit implementation of ASIO for use on Windows XP 64 bit addition for both Intel and AMD chips. This is the only update we ever made and was not related to any problems with the originals. Cudaaa, I'm sorry things didn't work out on your mixer, but thought I should point out, your post is misinformation plain and simple. We have had almost no customer issues come up on the Helix drivers, which was lucky for me I guess.

Michael
 
No control for firewire channel outputs?

I did not realize the firewires outs did not process through any of the board controls (FW18). I noticed I was unable to affect the volume when recording by using the faders. I don't remember reading anything about this in their documentation. Does this mean the channel inserts have no effect on what goes to the PC also. I use a compressor on some of the channels. That is one of the reasons I bought the mixer. I guess I was reading the wrong reviews and blogs. I sure hate that for I otherwise like the board and have no complaints with it.
 
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