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Carter Simcoe
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Or maybe you are one of the few people in this thread who have decided for themselves what kind of sound they like and decided on Crate and Peavy.
Or maybe you are one of the few people in this thread who have decided for themselves what kind of sound they like and decided on Crate and Peavy.
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robert jaybird
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I hear Fender...I hear marshall...but, no vox?
My personal favorites are Matchless and Rivera's. Fender twins aint too shabby either.Cant front on an AC30 myself, those are nice too. I dont like the pod, but I do like the yamaha dg. And, I dont know about the Triple rectifier, sounds like a mess, but mesa boogie has made some nice stuff imho.
My personal favorites are Matchless and Rivera's. Fender twins aint too shabby either.Cant front on an AC30 myself, those are nice too. I dont like the pod, but I do like the yamaha dg. And, I dont know about the Triple rectifier, sounds like a mess, but mesa boogie has made some nice stuff imho.
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Elco
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Doesn't it only take one quick, instantanteous example...you hear it..and instantly you say, yea I dig that tone. What if that happens , and it turns out the amp used to produce it wasn't a Fender or Marshall? Boom. End of theory. Thankyou , Goodnight 
sonusman
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Eh? Mr. Clayton, show me even ONE statement where I said Black Sabbath sounds like shit!!! You ain't gonna find it.
Funny, he uses a GIBSON SG through Marshall amps!
Charvel actually made a few models that had impressive tone. I don't know if YOU have one of those, it would be hard to tell from the guitar tones I have hear on your recordings.....
Peavey, Crate, and POD's can suck my ass. The proof is in the quality of the recording Mr. Clayton. It is one thing to have your drunk ass friends who are as deaf as you telling you that you sounded better. It is a whole other to have the other 99.9% of the people listening to say that! I will gladly go with consensus and be quite happy not blaming others for not "understanding what I am after". If pleasing your own ears is more important than pleasing most other peoples ears, and MOST people aren't pleased with what they hear from you, you may want to consider just keeping your "tone" in your recording room and practice space. I sure won't miss it!
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Hard2Hear
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I haev to antie up for the Vox amps, too. But only the AC-30 and AC-15. Those new ones by Korg are a joke. I love the sound of my AC-30 better than anything, but it's too fragile to take out to shows, so I generally use my Fender Blues DeVille and AmpegVT60.
Of course, that doesnt go with this thread.
My first amp ever was a Crate 15W pos. It sufficed in that I learned how to play guitar on it. My next amp was a Peavey Bandit. Then I got my first Fender amp (a Princeton Chorus) and have been buying Fender amps ever since. But it really does depend on your music style. I think they're just more beginner type stuff, and thats cool. Everyhing has a place.
H2H
Of course, that doesnt go with this thread.
My first amp ever was a Crate 15W pos. It sufficed in that I learned how to play guitar on it. My next amp was a Peavey Bandit. Then I got my first Fender amp (a Princeton Chorus) and have been buying Fender amps ever since. But it really does depend on your music style. I think they're just more beginner type stuff, and thats cool. Everyhing has a place.
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Blue Bear Sound
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This thread is getting stooooopid....
Along the lines of what Emeric was saying...
...a $100 Sears guitar thru a $50 "TruTone" amp will sound killer in the hands of a talented guitarist.......
It ain't about the gear, folks...
...'nuf said!
Bruce
Along the lines of what Emeric was saying...
...a $100 Sears guitar thru a $50 "TruTone" amp will sound killer in the hands of a talented guitarist.......
It ain't about the gear, folks...
...'nuf said!
Bruce
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Elco
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>If pleasing your own ears is more important than pleasing most other peoples ears, and >MOST people aren't pleased with what they hear from you, you may want to consider just >keeping your "tone" in your recording room and practice space.
That is one of the stupidest music related things I've ever read on the internet.
That is one of the stupidest music related things I've ever read on the internet.
Blue Bear Sound
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Why's that???sonusman said:
Paraphrasing, it means "just because you think it sounds good, doesn't mean it really is, depends on who's listening..."
The engineer at the other side of the console may have heard a much wider variety of good guitar tones than you and may be able to make a much more objective decision on what sounds "good".
Just because someone thinks they're shit hot, doesn't make 'em shit hot... same goes for their tone!
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Elco
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Blue Bear Sound,
Are you a musician? If you had a great tone you loved, but others hated would you care? Should you care? Who are you playing for? Other musicians and engineers? If your are a musician, EVERYTHING should revolve around what you want and like, not other guitar players, not engineers, not famous people with strong opinions., not the general consensus.
Are you a musician? If you had a great tone you loved, but others hated would you care? Should you care? Who are you playing for? Other musicians and engineers? If your are a musician, EVERYTHING should revolve around what you want and like, not other guitar players, not engineers, not famous people with strong opinions., not the general consensus.
Blue Bear Sound
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When I started playing guitar at 12 years old... I thought my Sears SG copy thru a 20 watt Roland Cube sounded *amazing*.........
Any engineer recording me at the time would have rightfully been horrified at what I was accepting of good tone...
Experience will always tell you much more than the label on the amp does...
Bruce
Any engineer recording me at the time would have rightfully been horrified at what I was accepting of good tone...
Experience will always tell you much more than the label on the amp does...
Bruce
Wide Awake
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It's crazy to discuss Fender amps( for example) as if they all sound the same. They have about 40 guitar amps on the market and they ALL sound different. Same with Marshall, Mesa Boogie, Vox, Peavey, etc.
I've played guitar on and off since the 70's and I've owned lots of amps. It's my opinion that there has never been SO MANY great sounding tube amps available as there are today. Almost all the amps over a certain price range are amazing sounding to me.
BTW- Peavey does make some great amps. The Classic 50 and 5150 are two examples.
I've played guitar on and off since the 70's and I've owned lots of amps. It's my opinion that there has never been SO MANY great sounding tube amps available as there are today. Almost all the amps over a certain price range are amazing sounding to me.
BTW- Peavey does make some great amps. The Classic 50 and 5150 are two examples.
BBB
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Re: This thread is getting stooooopid....
Blue Bear:
Blue Bear made a great point in stating "...a $100 Sears guitar thru a $50 "TruTone" amp will sound killer in the hands of a talented guitarist. It ain't about the gear, folks..."
Elco:
And there was another excellent point regarding what Elco stated about liking your own tone. That is the best statement on this thread.
Reconciling these two points:
If you play like shit, you play like shit regardless of the amp. If you play well, ditto. The amp can make a difference for mixing and recording. However, why compromise your tone? Oh... right, we should all be lemmings and follow the proper formula of Fender/Marshall. Heaven forbid someone exerts creativity and originality in their amp setup. This might lead to creativity and originality in their playing (not that one necessarliy follows the other).
Sonusman:
Reveals great ignorance in making blanket statements about the quality of Fender and Marshall vs. the quality of less expensive or more generic amps. He seems to confuse his own personal preferences in tone with the quality of amplifiers.
He has experience recording crappy guitarsts who use high gain to compensate for bad playing. Yes, it is easier to hide poor playing behind high gain and scooped mids. However, do not confuse bad players with bad amps. In fact, it can often be more difficult to control the high gain to achieve proper articulation.
Of course you will get a higher sample of poor players playing cheaper amps generally because this is all they can afford. Yet, there are many excellent players that play high gain amps. Examples include Darrell, Hetfield, Pettrucci (sp?), EVH, etc.
Again, don't confuse your personal tastes with quality of amps.
Me
Blue Bear:
Blue Bear made a great point in stating "...a $100 Sears guitar thru a $50 "TruTone" amp will sound killer in the hands of a talented guitarist. It ain't about the gear, folks..."
Elco:
And there was another excellent point regarding what Elco stated about liking your own tone. That is the best statement on this thread.
Reconciling these two points:
If you play like shit, you play like shit regardless of the amp. If you play well, ditto. The amp can make a difference for mixing and recording. However, why compromise your tone? Oh... right, we should all be lemmings and follow the proper formula of Fender/Marshall. Heaven forbid someone exerts creativity and originality in their amp setup. This might lead to creativity and originality in their playing (not that one necessarliy follows the other).
Sonusman:
Reveals great ignorance in making blanket statements about the quality of Fender and Marshall vs. the quality of less expensive or more generic amps. He seems to confuse his own personal preferences in tone with the quality of amplifiers.
He has experience recording crappy guitarsts who use high gain to compensate for bad playing. Yes, it is easier to hide poor playing behind high gain and scooped mids. However, do not confuse bad players with bad amps. In fact, it can often be more difficult to control the high gain to achieve proper articulation.
Of course you will get a higher sample of poor players playing cheaper amps generally because this is all they can afford. Yet, there are many excellent players that play high gain amps. Examples include Darrell, Hetfield, Pettrucci (sp?), EVH, etc.
Again, don't confuse your personal tastes with quality of amps.
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gnarled
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Bear
...a $100 Sears guitar thru a $50 "TruTone" amp will sound killer in the hands of a talented guitarist.......
Well, thats probably true. But, I bet if you took that talented guitarist and let him audition that Sears guitar and trutone amp and compared it side by side to a strat or Les Paul through some Rivera, Marshall, Mesa, Matchless amps I think you would find some combination that sounded considerably better. Just as I hear you ranting in other forums about how its impossible to get really good sounding results from sub par mics, etc (which I agree with incidentally), the same goes for guitars and amps. A cheap guitar through a cheap amp is going to sound cheap.
...a $100 Sears guitar thru a $50 "TruTone" amp will sound killer in the hands of a talented guitarist.......
Well, thats probably true. But, I bet if you took that talented guitarist and let him audition that Sears guitar and trutone amp and compared it side by side to a strat or Les Paul through some Rivera, Marshall, Mesa, Matchless amps I think you would find some combination that sounded considerably better. Just as I hear you ranting in other forums about how its impossible to get really good sounding results from sub par mics, etc (which I agree with incidentally), the same goes for guitars and amps. A cheap guitar through a cheap amp is going to sound cheap.
Blue Bear Sound
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I agree... "talented cheap sound" is better than "bad sound" though!
Bruce
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robert jaybird
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Okay, in equipment discussions we always get to the point where we say, it doesnt matter..if you can realy play you'll sound good through anything.
BULLSHIT...
You'll sound good DESPITE your equipment, but the equipment certainly wont enhance, or bring out the best in you. Of all these great guitarists that sound good on any amp, how many of them play "any amp", and compare that to how many are disturbingly anal about their equipment. Even those that play with cheap cruddy equipment, its a very particular type of cheapo and cruddy that pleases their ears. What many of us are saying here is that crate and peavy have made some truly atrocious amps. Shop around and find something that sounds good for the love of god!
But really music is immaterial...since this is a thread about wich material object to get I dont see how the "sears amp" argument is fitting. I mean personally when I practice I use a 10 watt kustom, and if I want different tones I'll hook up a pod. But, if anybody wants to trade their matchless for my pod, give me an email
BULLSHIT...
You'll sound good DESPITE your equipment, but the equipment certainly wont enhance, or bring out the best in you. Of all these great guitarists that sound good on any amp, how many of them play "any amp", and compare that to how many are disturbingly anal about their equipment. Even those that play with cheap cruddy equipment, its a very particular type of cheapo and cruddy that pleases their ears. What many of us are saying here is that crate and peavy have made some truly atrocious amps. Shop around and find something that sounds good for the love of god!
But really music is immaterial...since this is a thread about wich material object to get I dont see how the "sears amp" argument is fitting. I mean personally when I practice I use a 10 watt kustom, and if I want different tones I'll hook up a pod. But, if anybody wants to trade their matchless for my pod, give me an email
vox
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I mix a lot of young heavy bands, a lot of the time when they say a 'good' tone what they actually mean is a 'heavy' tone, the heavier the better, it might sound like muddy shit, but if they think it's heavy they will swear it's a great tone. Dial up EVH's 'brown sound' for them (I wish), or a killer AC/DC crunch and they will swear it sounds like shit.
getuhgrip
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A while back in this thread, I asserted that the amp I was lookin' for would be used in a smallish (12X12) basement studio. I'm not a pro and won't be gigging this rig...just recording. What I started to understand is that given the size of this room, huge ammounts of power are unnecessary since these tubes want to be full tilt to make distortion with any kind of tone left to it. Inspite of the desired genre (70's & 80s' rock / metal), too much power (and I'm guessing here) means too much volume to get the tubes saturated to the point where that distortion is going to come from.
I bought two amps today.....JCM601 (ALL TUBE 1X12) which I'll have to wait a few days to arrive and a VS265R that I picked up tonight. This is a 3 channel half-breed. 65watt 2X12 with on-board chorus. Bought it mainly because I've got a four day weekend and was curious about these hybrids, AND because I couldn't stand to be without an amp for another week. Got home late with the VS and haven't plugged into it yet.
Someone suggested earlier on that I was in too big of a hurry to buy something. Guilty, I guess. I agree the best strategy is to demo as much equipment as you can to get an idea of which way you want to go. These days, time really only allows me to get a baseline of information from which I can spin the wheel...and that's pretty much what I did. I know the only bottom line is my own. I wanted to let you guys do the shoppin' for me, but just like cars, babes, beer, Harleys, TV dinners and toilet paper, everybodies got their own personal tastes. Who woulda thought!
I looked at everything everybody tossed out even if all I could do was look vs hear and here's what I saw:
Mesa Boogie....Sexiest peice of gear I've seen lately! But way outta my budget.
Vox...Visions of Beatles, Stones and Doors. Very cool but again, in the tube series, just more than I wanna pay.
Ampeg...Where do ya find anything that says "Ampeg" on it for less than a grand?
Peavey...5150 combo was damned tempting but come on! I started losing focus of what my real needs were!
Crate...Blue Voodoo was tempting but you guys scared me away!
Anyway, I'm hoping that at 60watts all tube and no attatched gadgetry, this 601 will make my little light shine. Paid $400 and didn't feel like that was outrageous based on what Marshall tube stuff in general is bringing on Ebay.
Neighbors will be off to work in another hour, I'll let you know what I think of the "half breed" after I play with it awhile.
- Rick
I bought two amps today.....JCM601 (ALL TUBE 1X12) which I'll have to wait a few days to arrive and a VS265R that I picked up tonight. This is a 3 channel half-breed. 65watt 2X12 with on-board chorus. Bought it mainly because I've got a four day weekend and was curious about these hybrids, AND because I couldn't stand to be without an amp for another week. Got home late with the VS and haven't plugged into it yet.
Someone suggested earlier on that I was in too big of a hurry to buy something. Guilty, I guess. I agree the best strategy is to demo as much equipment as you can to get an idea of which way you want to go. These days, time really only allows me to get a baseline of information from which I can spin the wheel...and that's pretty much what I did. I know the only bottom line is my own. I wanted to let you guys do the shoppin' for me, but just like cars, babes, beer, Harleys, TV dinners and toilet paper, everybodies got their own personal tastes. Who woulda thought!
I looked at everything everybody tossed out even if all I could do was look vs hear and here's what I saw:
Mesa Boogie....Sexiest peice of gear I've seen lately! But way outta my budget.
Vox...Visions of Beatles, Stones and Doors. Very cool but again, in the tube series, just more than I wanna pay.
Ampeg...Where do ya find anything that says "Ampeg" on it for less than a grand?
Peavey...5150 combo was damned tempting but come on! I started losing focus of what my real needs were!
Crate...Blue Voodoo was tempting but you guys scared me away!
Anyway, I'm hoping that at 60watts all tube and no attatched gadgetry, this 601 will make my little light shine. Paid $400 and didn't feel like that was outrageous based on what Marshall tube stuff in general is bringing on Ebay.
Neighbors will be off to work in another hour, I'll let you know what I think of the "half breed" after I play with it awhile.
- Rick
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Elco
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> but just like cars, babes, beer, Harleys, TV dinners and toilet paper,
everybodies got their own personal tastes.
LOL...so true!
everybodies got their own personal tastes.
LOL...so true!
sonusman
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Elco said:
And some people have shown examples of personal taste that many more agree with!
It is known as "universal appeal". Has worked throughout the history of music quite well thanks!Ed
S8-N
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Hey Ed,
Your hero, Eddie Van Halen seems to like the Peavy tone... I guess me and my gang of drunken tone-deaf hacks are in good company.
Your hero, Eddie Van Halen seems to like the Peavy tone... I guess me and my gang of drunken tone-deaf hacks are in good company.