tyler657recpro
Member
Ok, I've always preferred PC for various reasons, mostly because that's what I have always had, because Macs used to be really crappy. Now they seem like decent machines. Which is best and why, for a Digital Workstation?
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Angermeyer
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IMHO mac's tend to provide wonderful stability and a decent range of hardware and software options. They excell in video editing and other high end appz. I think that they lack a little in the sound world, (some one will probably "correct" me harshly on this)
But i prefer the pc because of its extrodinary flexiablity, you have a veritable conrnicopia of software and hardware, and windows can be stable if you really want it to be. The hardware issue is my real deciding factor though, I like haveing lots of great options in my comp. I like being able to switch and upgrade video cards, sound cards, cd burners/players, processer motherboard. If you like to adjust thing to exactly your specs i suggest a pc. If you never want to look at the guts and feel trepidation when inserting a floppy
check out the mac's.
I also think Mac's are hideously ugly. Har, so there.
-Angermeyer
But i prefer the pc because of its extrodinary flexiablity, you have a veritable conrnicopia of software and hardware, and windows can be stable if you really want it to be. The hardware issue is my real deciding factor though, I like haveing lots of great options in my comp. I like being able to switch and upgrade video cards, sound cards, cd burners/players, processer motherboard. If you like to adjust thing to exactly your specs i suggest a pc. If you never want to look at the guts and feel trepidation when inserting a floppy
check out the mac's.I also think Mac's are hideously ugly. Har, so there.
-Angermeyer
tyler657recpro
Member
Well, I think they look cool, but that's about it. They're too much money though. I can't get good deals on stuff for them. The something in the PC range, P4 2.2ghz, nVidia GeForce ti4400, two 15" lcds, 2 120 7200 RPM HDD's, Plextor 40x12x40 Burner, 16x DVD, 512mb Ram, RAID SCSI Motherboard, for 2000. That would cost around 4400 on the mac side.
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M.Brane
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When was that?
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littledog
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No question Mac's are more expensive. But you can't necessarily compare GHz from one platform to the other. Because of other factors, a "slower" Mac, at say 800 MHz might in practise be just as fast (or faster) than a 1.5 GHz Pentium.
It still comes down to what software you want to run, and which platform supports that software better. That's less of an issue than it used to be, but in the Pro-Tools/Finale world that I find myself in, there are still advantages to being on a Mac.
If you already are firmly invested in the PC-Windows world, though, there's probably no compelling reason to change.
It still comes down to what software you want to run, and which platform supports that software better. That's less of an issue than it used to be, but in the Pro-Tools/Finale world that I find myself in, there are still advantages to being on a Mac.
If you already are firmly invested in the PC-Windows world, though, there's probably no compelling reason to change.
tyler657recpro
Member
Yeah I knew that already. I was planning on 933 verses 2.2. Mac does present a networking problem with my 4 other PC's which I want to keep.
WATYF
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Get an AMD... don't waste your time with that Pentium crap...
(whoo hoo..!! let the flame wars begin)
WATYF (The AMD crusader of homerec.com)
(whoo hoo..!! let the flame wars begin)
WATYF (The AMD crusader of homerec.com)
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M.Brane
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Lots of people network PC's and Macs together without problems.
Next myth?
WATYF
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I heard that Steve Jobs steals all his ideas from Bill Gates..
that's true.....
right?
WATYF
that's true.....
right?
WATYF
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M.Brane
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Thats funny. I heard just the opposite.
Badger
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WATYF said:
WATYF (The AMD crusader of homerec.com)
Hey, your not the only one bud...
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Angermeyer
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every comp. i built or bought is amd, but i built a p4 machine for a friend and it booted so fast i almost orgasmed. The only outstanding thing about the pentiums is ease of integration, for a newbie builder it may be a more satisfactory way to go. (JSYK I'm not saying anyone here is a newbie.)
-Angermeyer
-Angermeyer
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jeronimo
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The thing is:
If you enjoy building "Frankensteins" go PCs, and you´ll have A LOT OF FUN seting things up, switching and all this type of stuff.
If you want to take your computer out of the box, re-start it w/ the BASE EXTENTIONS setup and stay like, working and not worring about "is it going to crash" or "is this Video board going to work with this Audio board with this chipset on the motherboard"...
I´ve been a PC guy for almost 10 years (oops, maybe more) and I just love having a Mac as my work computer. It just...
works...
But as I can see, all you guys are already partners with Bill Gaytes
If you enjoy building "Frankensteins" go PCs, and you´ll have A LOT OF FUN seting things up, switching and all this type of stuff.
If you want to take your computer out of the box, re-start it w/ the BASE EXTENTIONS setup and stay like, working and not worring about "is it going to crash" or "is this Video board going to work with this Audio board with this chipset on the motherboard"...
I´ve been a PC guy for almost 10 years (oops, maybe more) and I just love having a Mac as my work computer. It just...
works...
But as I can see, all you guys are already partners with Bill Gaytes
MISTERQCUE
Not Just Anutha Brutha
Same question................
What's better, apples or oranges !!??
What's better, apples or oranges !!??
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Beezoboy
Home Recording Guru
Mr Q is it right. It is all preference.
Here is what I would look for.
-Software options-
On the PC side for multitrack I know of Nuendo, Cubase, Sonar,
Cakewalk, Cool Edit Pro, SAW, T-Racks, and more
For MAC only know of Protools and Digital Performer, and maybe there are others but I don't think there are as many options
-Driver Support-
Most audio stuff works in XP for the PC
To my knowledge there is still a lot of audio stuff that is not working in OS X.
My only problems with mac thse days pretty much boil down to software and pricing. There is a huge lack of software IMO for macs. Period. Say what you want mac people, but there really isn't as much out there as there is for PC.
Problems with PC is multiple configurations don't always work. If you buy a mac G4 you'll have one motherboard that comes with all of of them. So a company can test on that motherboard and get all the bugs worked out. PC's have about 1000 options for motherboards so a company cannot possibly try everyone out to see if their stuff works on it.
So here is my suggestion. If you want a system that works perfectly right out of the box go for a mac and MOTU. Thats what I finally got my college to upgrade to and it works beautifully. Very easy, but you'll payfor it. On the PC side, you can get just as easy a setup for half the money but you need to be informed on what hardware is compatible. I would say a kt266a motherboard and a delta 1010 with an Athlon XP 2000 would run just fine together.
There is my informed opinion, but i have to say that I would choose the PC
Beezoboy
Here is what I would look for.
-Software options-
On the PC side for multitrack I know of Nuendo, Cubase, Sonar,
Cakewalk, Cool Edit Pro, SAW, T-Racks, and more
For MAC only know of Protools and Digital Performer, and maybe there are others but I don't think there are as many options
-Driver Support-
Most audio stuff works in XP for the PC
To my knowledge there is still a lot of audio stuff that is not working in OS X.
My only problems with mac thse days pretty much boil down to software and pricing. There is a huge lack of software IMO for macs. Period. Say what you want mac people, but there really isn't as much out there as there is for PC.
Problems with PC is multiple configurations don't always work. If you buy a mac G4 you'll have one motherboard that comes with all of of them. So a company can test on that motherboard and get all the bugs worked out. PC's have about 1000 options for motherboards so a company cannot possibly try everyone out to see if their stuff works on it.
So here is my suggestion. If you want a system that works perfectly right out of the box go for a mac and MOTU. Thats what I finally got my college to upgrade to and it works beautifully. Very easy, but you'll payfor it. On the PC side, you can get just as easy a setup for half the money but you need to be informed on what hardware is compatible. I would say a kt266a motherboard and a delta 1010 with an Athlon XP 2000 would run just fine together.
There is my informed opinion, but i have to say that I would choose the PC
Beezoboy
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jeronimo
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Ok, ok... let´s stay in the facts field...
Audio Aplications for Mac:
Pro Tools, Digital Performer, Logic Audio, Nuendo, Cubase, T-Racks, Peak... hummm... what else?! That´s all I could remember...
Audio Aplications for Mac:
Pro Tools, Digital Performer, Logic Audio, Nuendo, Cubase, T-Racks, Peak... hummm... what else?! That´s all I could remember...
Flo' Dolo
New member
NOTE: I've re-posted part of this in a new thread. If the redundancy pisses anyone off, well...
Tyler,
if you've got the loot, get a mac. My primary reason for suggesting this is because of stability issues (read: less headaches, yes, I use PCs, too, just not for music), though you have to "take care" w/ a mac, just the same. I've used macs since the seventh grade (which was probably around the time you were born), and they've never been crappy. I think the truth of the matter for you is in your second post, "they're too expensive." You've recently let it out that your budget ISN'T unlimited, and that could play a large part in the choices you make regarding your computing choices.
Littledog & WATYF's (and everbody else's) comments are very valid, and Beezoboy's are also right on target. In these few posts alone, you've got enough information to start asking all the right questions now for all the right reasons. I suggest you check out DAW/Sequencing software for both platforms, and scale your budgetary choices around that. Investing in a high-end, computer-based DAW workstation isn't a bad way to go, but it'll surely affect things like the kind of mixer (or controller) you may want to buy, as well as sound-generating equipment (since you may wanna check out softsynths and maybe even software based samplers - in which case, if you go PC you'll have better options re:s oftware-based samplers).
Listen youngblood, you're on the right path. My suggestion to you is that you:
a) Clearly define your budget.
b) Clearly define your needs in catagories
such as: sound creation (including mics, and mic-pres)
sequencing issues (if you're electronic musician)
recording options/requirements
input/mixing requirements/options
soundproofing/sound treatment requirements
oh, and don't forget nearfield monitors
I'm probably not the best at spec'ing out shit like this, but I'm sure it's a logical, and not-so-unwieldy step in the right direction. There are surely others who post on this forum who can far better address how to do these kinds of things besides me. Since you're basically starting from scratch, why don't you let us know what you (think) you can spend, and what your needs are regarding the items I mentioned above. Trust me when I tell you that it'll make your adventure much more enjoyable, and make it lots easier for those that are willing to offer their two cents to hone in on things that are realistically applicable for your situation.
After you get some responses, goto your local music store and dazzle the sales rep with your newly-acquired knowledge and sense of direction. You'll be surprised at how different his/her approach is towards you. He won't waste your time with shit that truly isn't applicable to your situation (cuz you won't let him, RIGHT?!?!?), and you'll be able to ask about and check out specific pieces and their comparable competition.
Knowing you've got 10grand, or 8, or 20 (for example) to spend will DEFINATELY affect what you should even BOTHER to check out, as well as how we can help you in your quest for your studio nirvana.
Then, when you've got questions about mics, boards & features, and whatever else, they'll be more pointed (but less POINTY), and we'll all respect you more as a young, hotshot on the come-up.
Again,
good luck.
Oh, and one more word of advice... don't try to impress anyone with your knowledge of whatever, everybody here seems to be smart enough to know better, or at least know the difference. If people didn't like you (well, your online presence), then by now you'd be getting NO responses. And one last thing, be cool, stay in school.
Flo' Dolo
Tyler,
if you've got the loot, get a mac. My primary reason for suggesting this is because of stability issues (read: less headaches, yes, I use PCs, too, just not for music), though you have to "take care" w/ a mac, just the same. I've used macs since the seventh grade (which was probably around the time you were born), and they've never been crappy. I think the truth of the matter for you is in your second post, "they're too expensive." You've recently let it out that your budget ISN'T unlimited, and that could play a large part in the choices you make regarding your computing choices.
Littledog & WATYF's (and everbody else's) comments are very valid, and Beezoboy's are also right on target. In these few posts alone, you've got enough information to start asking all the right questions now for all the right reasons. I suggest you check out DAW/Sequencing software for both platforms, and scale your budgetary choices around that. Investing in a high-end, computer-based DAW workstation isn't a bad way to go, but it'll surely affect things like the kind of mixer (or controller) you may want to buy, as well as sound-generating equipment (since you may wanna check out softsynths and maybe even software based samplers - in which case, if you go PC you'll have better options re:s oftware-based samplers).
Listen youngblood, you're on the right path. My suggestion to you is that you:
a) Clearly define your budget.
b) Clearly define your needs in catagories
such as: sound creation (including mics, and mic-pres)
sequencing issues (if you're electronic musician)
recording options/requirements
input/mixing requirements/options
soundproofing/sound treatment requirements
oh, and don't forget nearfield monitors
I'm probably not the best at spec'ing out shit like this, but I'm sure it's a logical, and not-so-unwieldy step in the right direction. There are surely others who post on this forum who can far better address how to do these kinds of things besides me. Since you're basically starting from scratch, why don't you let us know what you (think) you can spend, and what your needs are regarding the items I mentioned above. Trust me when I tell you that it'll make your adventure much more enjoyable, and make it lots easier for those that are willing to offer their two cents to hone in on things that are realistically applicable for your situation.
After you get some responses, goto your local music store and dazzle the sales rep with your newly-acquired knowledge and sense of direction. You'll be surprised at how different his/her approach is towards you. He won't waste your time with shit that truly isn't applicable to your situation (cuz you won't let him, RIGHT?!?!?), and you'll be able to ask about and check out specific pieces and their comparable competition.
Knowing you've got 10grand, or 8, or 20 (for example) to spend will DEFINATELY affect what you should even BOTHER to check out, as well as how we can help you in your quest for your studio nirvana.
Then, when you've got questions about mics, boards & features, and whatever else, they'll be more pointed (but less POINTY), and we'll all respect you more as a young, hotshot on the come-up.
Again,
good luck.
Oh, and one more word of advice... don't try to impress anyone with your knowledge of whatever, everybody here seems to be smart enough to know better, or at least know the difference. If people didn't like you (well, your online presence), then by now you'd be getting NO responses. And one last thing, be cool, stay in school.
Flo' Dolo
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musikman316
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For all of you people saying that Macs were never crappy, you are actually wrong. In the early 90s Macs had extreme problems with there OS and just about went under (they were pending the largest Chapter 11 ever). Macs are great systems for audio, and in fact may be superior but only if you can fork out $4400 for the Mac and another $15000 for the new Pro tools systems, yes you can get a Digi001, but they run on PC too, so really Macs are for big time engineers with "big time wallets"
eyeslikefire
I CAN SMELL EM!
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WATYF
...happier than you.
Hey.. would you mind doing that a little closer to my mic.. I'm trying to test my new pop filter...
WATYF
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