Qwerty
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Dachay will be a happy camper.....
......if it works.....
Reading the tea-leaves here, Ron Kuper at Cakewalk originally said the dev. effort involved with this patch for v3 would be part of the product plan for v4.
Based on that, you would think that v4 can't be very far away from us now.
Ciao,
Q.
......if it works.....
Reading the tea-leaves here, Ron Kuper at Cakewalk originally said the dev. effort involved with this patch for v3 would be part of the product plan for v4.
Based on that, you would think that v4 can't be very far away from us now.
Ciao,
Q.
dachay2tnr
One Hit Wonder
Qwerty said:Dachay will be a happy camper.....
......if it works.....
Reading the tea-leaves here, Ron Kuper at Cakewalk originally said the dev. effort involved with this patch for v3 would be part of the product plan for v4.
Based on that, you would think that v4 can't be very far away from us now.
Ciao,
Actually, that was before they realized the problem was with the VST adapter. Had it been a problem with Sonar 3 itself, they would not have patched until after version 4 was released.
I downloaded the patch - however, I haven't had a chance to install it and check it out. I'll probably do that this weekend.
And, yes, I'll be a very happy camper if it works. This will allow me to go back to playing around with SIR.
Qwerty
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dachay2tnr said:This will allow me to go back to playing around with SIR.
Make sure you grab v1.008 - just noticed I was a couple of rev.'s behind with 1.005...
Still fixed latency at 8960 samples though...
Ciao,
Q.
dachay2tnr
One Hit Wonder
Qwerty said:
Thanks for the tip, qwerty. I'm not sure what version I have. I'll check it out when I get home tonight.
The latency should be a *non-issue* as Sonar's VST wrapper is supposed to compensate for that. However, I think the latency compensation feature is what led to the whole envelope problem in the first place.
I'm still waiting for someone on the Sonar forum to say that this has actually fixed the envelope problem. Maybe a bit early yet.
minofifa
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i hate trying to keep up with all of these friggen upgrade, updates, fiexes, patches, plugins....
Well i do enjoy the benefit of doing it but reformatting is a nightmare when you think about all of the patching you have to do.... Updateing windows alone takes an evening.
Cakewalk should make an automatic update for all of its software and all of the the supporting software that comes with it.
Well i do enjoy the benefit of doing it but reformatting is a nightmare when you think about all of the patching you have to do.... Updateing windows alone takes an evening.
Cakewalk should make an automatic update for all of its software and all of the the supporting software that comes with it.
dachay2tnr
One Hit Wonder
minofifa said:
I agree with you. I keep all these on a CD-RW, and it is a PIA when you install a new OS or reformat a HD trying to remember what patches you need to run.
Cakewalk goes even one step further. Instead of incorporating all the fixes into one patch, they make you run all the patches. For ex., Sonar 3.1.1 can only be applied to Sonar 3.1. But, of course, the CD I own is Sonar v3.0. So I need to install Sonar 3.0, patch that to 3.1 and then patch that to 3.1.1. And, oh, BTW, don't forget to run the VST adapter patch too and the most recent version of CWAF.
Unfortunatley, I guess the alternative of malfunctioning software is a greater evil.
dachay2tnr
One Hit Wonder
Update (short version): The patch *appears* to work. I say *appears* because I want to do a little more messing around, but so far it performs as advertised.
Update (long version): At the start I no longer had a saved version of the "problem" project. Since the envelope problem first arose I had made numerous modifications to the project in order to work around the envelope issue - most particularly removing the SIR reverb and using clip envelopes rather than Track envelopes. So I had to try and recreate the project in order to see if I could duplicate my original problem.
I also, since the time I had the envelope problem, had lowered my Sonar latency settings to about 5.8ms.
After attempting to recreate the project, I hit the play button. While everything appeared to perform as normal - no sound came out. I rechecked everything, and it all looked OK.
So, I move the latency slider and raised my latency up to about 75 ms. Once I did this, the project played normally, and bingo the envelope problem raised its head again. HOWEVER, I then lowered the latency down to about 40 ms. The project still played fine at this setting, BUT the envelope problem went away.
Increased latency back to 75 ms - and the envelope problem reappeared. Lowered it - gone. Raised it - back. WTF??
All of this, btw, is BEFORE installing the patch.
Anyway, I went ahead and installed the patch. Now I could no longer get the envelope problem to reappear, regardless of my latency setting.
All of this is a bit puzzling to me, which is why I said earlier that I want to play around a bit more. However, the good news is I could not recreate the envelope problem once the patch had been installed.
Stay tuned.
Update (long version): At the start I no longer had a saved version of the "problem" project. Since the envelope problem first arose I had made numerous modifications to the project in order to work around the envelope issue - most particularly removing the SIR reverb and using clip envelopes rather than Track envelopes. So I had to try and recreate the project in order to see if I could duplicate my original problem.
I also, since the time I had the envelope problem, had lowered my Sonar latency settings to about 5.8ms.
After attempting to recreate the project, I hit the play button. While everything appeared to perform as normal - no sound came out. I rechecked everything, and it all looked OK.
So, I move the latency slider and raised my latency up to about 75 ms. Once I did this, the project played normally, and bingo the envelope problem raised its head again. HOWEVER, I then lowered the latency down to about 40 ms. The project still played fine at this setting, BUT the envelope problem went away. Increased latency back to 75 ms - and the envelope problem reappeared. Lowered it - gone. Raised it - back.
WTF??All of this, btw, is BEFORE installing the patch.
Anyway, I went ahead and installed the patch. Now I could no longer get the envelope problem to reappear, regardless of my latency setting.
All of this is a bit puzzling to me, which is why I said earlier that I want to play around a bit more. However, the good news is I could not recreate the envelope problem once the patch had been installed.
Stay tuned.
Qwerty
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I think the weird latency thing is related to SIR. For me the magic number seems to be 28msec. Under that, no sound. Over that and it works fine. I have not maxxed it out to see if that also caused the same envelope behaviour you found.
I will keep my fingers crossed. I haven't been game to try my problem project as whenever I open it, weird things seem to start happening in my other projects...
Here's hoping.
Q.
I will keep my fingers crossed. I haven't been game to try my problem project as whenever I open it, weird things seem to start happening in my other projects...
Here's hoping.
Q.
dachay2tnr
One Hit Wonder
Wow, you could be on to something qwerty. I couldn't get my project to play either under 28 ms with SIR. However, I have another version of this project using the Anwida reverb instead of SIR, and that plays down to 5.8 ms (which is the lowest I can go without changing the buffer size in my sound card control panel).
It's weird though that when I hit even higher latency is when the envelope kicked in. At least until I patched the wrapper.
It's weird though that when I hit even higher latency is when the envelope kicked in. At least until I patched the wrapper.
Qwerty
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I think that this has to do with the bit on SIR's home page where he states that he is still attempting to work on a truly latency free version of SIR.
I think the fixed latency he has written into SIR at 8096 samples, seems to be a true requisite which the automatic delay compensation of Sonar 3 can't handle.
The flow requires more thought than I care to give it, but I am sure if you divided the fixed 8096 samples from SIR's design with the sample buffer size of the sound card or something and then stood on one foot, the answer would turn out to be 28msec...
Either way -- if it looks like it is working, then I ain't gonna try and fix it!
Q.
I think the fixed latency he has written into SIR at 8096 samples, seems to be a true requisite which the automatic delay compensation of Sonar 3 can't handle.
The flow requires more thought than I care to give it, but I am sure if you divided the fixed 8096 samples from SIR's design with the sample buffer size of the sound card or something and then stood on one foot, the answer would turn out to be 28msec...
Either way -- if it looks like it is working, then I ain't gonna try and fix it!
Q.