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hey guys i got a quick question for ya here...this is my situation:

1)i have only 8 tracks total to record on...i need to have a total of 11-12

2)i want to use eight mics on the drum set, but the band needs to have guitar/bass/vocals playing for the drummer to be able to record, etc.

3) can i use a patch bay to patch two tracks together to save track space?
 
There's no way around it, you're going to have to bounce!
 
Do you have a mixer?

If you answered "no", can you get a hold of one?

If you answered "yes", does it have more than eight channels? Twelve would be the ideal minimum in this case.
 
Why do you want 8 mics on the drums? Unless you know an assload about mic placement, you only need 4.

Problem solved.

And no you can't use a patchbay to mix signals. If you could, there wouldn't be contraptions known as mixers.
 
Borrow another small mixer and use either one for a drum submix and port the signal over to one channel of the other. This will reduce the number of drum tracks to 1 or 2 going into your recording device.
 
You know, it would help if you hadn't just posted the question then buggered off without responding to any of the replies. For a start you haven't told us anything useful about your set-up. And for seconds you haven't explained why you feel you need 8 mics on the kit (hi-hat mic or mono overhead and stereo room mics?). So get back in here NOW.
 
yes, once you post here you sign your life over to us. stop doing anything constructive IMMEDIATELY and proceed to waste your existence like the rest of us!
 
esun127 said:
Why do you want 8 mics on the drums? Unless you know an assload about mic placement, you only need 4.
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And if you DO know your mic placement and have a good acoustic sound you only need two mics. :)
 
blarb

yeah ...im not using 8 mics...i was just setting that up as a hypothetical situation because i know nothing about patch bays..thanks for your help guys and there is no need for that attitude you know...i have been incredibly ill since i posted here...anywho i really do appreciate your replies -- i recently recorded a band:Holding Colefield (10 songs and im not done yet due to the being sick) and this is what i did:

6 mics on the drum set

1 in the hole of the kick drum
1 just a little more than an inch from the snare
1 about a foot above the china and some other cool sounding cymbal the drummer had (he has lots of cymbals on his set)
1 about a foot over the two crash cymbals he had
1 on the ride
1 overhead

it's a kind of weird set up but i spent a great deal of time configuring it and it sounds pretty good...i will try and get some sound clips up as soon as i can...once again, i apologize for waiting so long to respond.
 
blarb2

oh yeah i almost forgot...i am using a korg d1600...i know how everyone hates digital but im only 17 years old i cant really afford much more at the moment
 
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shmusername said:
yeah ...im not using 8 mics...i was just setting that up as a hypothetical situation because i know nothing about patch bays..thanks for your help guys and there is no need for that attitude you know...i have been incredibly ill since i posted here...anywho i really do appreciate your replies -- i recently recorded a band:Holding Colefield (10 songs and im not done yet due to the being sick) and this is what i did:

6 mics on the drum set

1 in the hole of the kick drum
1 just a little more than an inch from the snare
1 about a foot above the china and some other cool sounding cymbal the drummer had (he has lots of cymbals on his set)
1 about a foot over the two crash cymbals he had
1 on the ride
1 overhead

it's a kind of weird set up but i spent a great deal of time configuring it and it sounds pretty good...i will try and get some sound clips up as soon as i can...once again, i apologize for waiting so long to respond.
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That's okay. What mics have you got on the kit? Why do you find you need to mike the cymbals seperately (almost), rather than using two overheads? If it works for you, that's fine. I'm just curious.
 
well...not because i dont think the overheads will work (because i have tried them and know they will), but i am doing it:

A) because i have only been recording for like a year and a half now and am still experimenting
B) because i wanted to be able to pan the cymbals and toms so it sounded like it was rolling from one ear to the other

now like i said, i am on a tight budget so the mics i used were nothing special, but they were condensors at least
1:NADY SM-90 for the snare (it ended up picking up a little high hat after messing with it enough so they both sounded just right)
though i realized after awhile that doubling the high hat with the snare wasnt a good idea because i wanted to boost the snare to around 6khz later so as to give it a little more punch and attack...anywho im rambling
2:3 NADY SM-88- 1 on the ride/floor tom, 1 over the china and splash, 1 over two crashes he had that had slightly different tones (it was kind of cool actually)
3: MXL 63 for overhead...well not necessarily overhead but it was mainly over the toms, as that was my intent because i knew i had cymbals covered

its experimental but the drum sounds i got from it are great after they are tweaked a bit-and i didnt even use compression (mainly because i hate it and think it is lame) but anywho thats my set up...im using a korg d1600 with a carvin mixer i run it through that adds a little more tonality too it...thanks for your comments
 
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