patch bays in a new studio

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I am helping a friend design his new studio. My question is regarding wiring his patch bays and if it will degrade the sound.

He has 3 Neutrik $80 TRS bays and wants to wire them up so he can route from the bays for ease. BUT aren't these budget bays going to degrade the sound? He is going from a Mackie 32 ch. into a pair of aark 24's in his DAW. He is using some hosa & Beldin cable too.

What do you suggest? What have you done?
Thanks for your help,
Kirk
 
Well, first, I'd wait for more expert advice than mine, but here goes:

If they are $80 patch bays I'm thinking they're a heck of a lot less destructive to your audio source than those cheap Hosa cables!

All I can offer for real-world experience that has some comparrison is this: I just got a digital converter box so I could use the optical-out of my Motif synth. Prior to this, I was running my Motif on a pair of unbalanced 500-series Monster cables. When I A/B the line vs. the digital I can barely hear a difference; it is so slight, actually, that I'm half convinced I'm fooling myself into believing that the digital signal is a bit richer, clearer, and broader (and when I say a bit I mean a tiny, tiny, bit.)

Others on the Motif forums have been *floored* by the change when they upgrade to digital signalling. Therefore, my assumption is that the expensive Monster cables running to my mixer and recorder are so dang good that switching to digital signalling has had a marginal (if any) increase in quality for me. (I'm waiting for a good opportunity to get my wife to blind A/B for me, then I'll also pull out some cheap cables too and document the results.)

It's also quite possible that I'm missing something, and there is also a degredation of the signal when going optical out from my Motif to my Midiman CO2 (the converter box optical/coax) to my digital recorder, but I thought this type of digital signal was bulletproof...? I'm also running Monster RCA cables to attach to my monitors by the way (dang Akai has RCA outs, yuck) but I need some longer ones and I'm thinking of getting one of those brands Blue Bear has been talking about....

-Shaz
 
Yeah... it's all about the cable... scrap the HOSA stuff - it's garbage.........

Look at Canare or Mogami.... there's also the brand Sjoko was mentioning - but I can't think of the name offhand - try a search.

Regarding the PBs quality - while the connectors may eventually go, or may not stand-up to the rigors of constant patching, the hardware module connections will still pass the signal... your cable choice is going to be more of the determining factor than the actual PB....

Bruce
 
I'll second the Mogami/Canare cable idea. I ended up struggling with this choice before I finally decided to spend the money for Mogami. And so far, its worth the difference (even though I have a lot more soldering to do).

I also agree about the patch bays... while most of my bays are used TT ADC bays (which I paid about $100-150 each for), they are of high quality and will last for a decade (or two).

I do have two neutrik 1/4" TRS patch bays, and they have been fine for as long as I used them before I started this "grand plan" studio. Now I have them mounted underneath my 1U drum machine collection and they simply allow me to plug the drum pads in the patch bay in the front, and the rears connect to the drum machines so i don't have to bang my head on the rack anymore :)


Blue Bear Sound said:
Yeah... it's all about the cable... scrap the HOSA stuff - it's garbage.........

Look at Canare or Mogami.... there's also the brand Sjoko was mentioning - but I can't think of the name offhand - try a search.

Regarding the PBs quality - while the connectors may eventually go, or may not stand-up to the rigors of constant patching, the hardware module connections will still pass the signal... your cable choice is going to be more of the determining factor than the actual PB....

Bruce
 
I have been wondering about patchbays recently too. What are the advantages of TT Bantam patchbays over TRS?

The bays themselves are roughly the same price but TT patch cable are much more expensive then TRS cables... is it the cable itslef? The connectors?

Anyone have a good source for TT patch cables? Used is probably OK.

Cheers
Kevin.
 
Again, no real audible advantage, just more connections per square inch. All my studio wiring is Beldon and sounds damn good.
 
TT Bantam bays offer two things over cheap, ordinary 1/4" bays.

First, usually has to do with port density. In 1U of space, I have 144 patch connections, which actually is 96 patch connections, with a row of 48 ports hardwired to the first row. This allows patching things to two inputs, or to inputs and effects, etc. Saves the hassle of "Y" cords.

Second, TT patch bays are generally made by Switchcraft, ADC, thus the quality of the connection is much higher and more durable than those neutrik, behringer, tascam, etc type of patch bays.

Audibly, there is not much difference, but an ADC TT bay can take a tremendous amount of cord swapping before the jack wears out. Of course, ADC/Switchcraft also make 1/4 bays if you want normal density with the same quality, no problem there.

Typically TT cords are more expensive, I would agree. However the patch cords are typically made using quality connectors and Mogami, Canare or other high quality cable. The high quality cables really make a difference. In fact, most ADC bays can be used for digital audio as well as analog. I have one patch bay that I have all of the Tascam TDIF signals that normally run across a special 25-pin cable soldered into one of my bays. This allows me to cross-connect digital things instead of buying an expensive digital audio detangler. Strange, but it works. It allows me to take the 25-pin cable that has channels 1-8 plus handshaking, and split it up to multiple devices. Since all the digital recorder stuff I have is hard-locked together, this works.

Anyway, to answer your question in short - quality, mechanical survivability, and port density!!!!!

longsoughtfor said:
I have been wondering about patchbays recently too. What are the advantages of TT Bantam patchbays over TRS?

The bays themselves are roughly the same price but TT patch cable are much more expensive then TRS cables... is it the cable itslef? The connectors?

Anyone have a good source for TT patch cables? Used is probably OK.

Cheers
Kevin.
 
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