Panning: How do you eat yours?!

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When it comes to mixing, how do you get that big full guitar sound?

Is there a certain way of panning guitar tracks, i.e. how far apart should they be panned?

I'm ok with panning the kit, bass and vocals etc, but I'd love to know how everyone pans their guitars, and how many guitar tracks they usually record.

The last recording I did, the guitar (one) was 6 Tracks, (3 double miked takes), spread out <80 <60 <30 30> 60> 80>, seemed to work quite well.

I'm recording rock/hardcore, so I'm looking for that Deftones?Sikth/Poison The Well sound.

Thanks, Barry.
 
Interesting.
I usualy just do two takes of the main guitar part and hard pan them left and right. Other guitars are also done in two separate takes but I'll position them further 'in' on the stereo field (but still wide) so not to mask the other guitars.

I haven't tried double micing of the same take, I can't understand the point of doing that as I would have thought it's the very slight variations in the two separate recordings approach that gives the extra boost? If you record the same take twice using two mikes it will still just sound like one guitar won't it? I must try it sometime.
 
glynb said:
If you record the same take twice using two mikes it will still just sound like one guitar won't it?
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I suppose it depends on the amp, but in this instance I was recording a marshall stack, with fout internal "speakers", so you get slightly different tones from the top two to the bottom two.

Is it common to pan guitars hard right/left?
I'm really interested to learn how everyone does theirs in their mixes!
 
crowbar0 said:
I suppose it depends on the amp, but in this instance I was recording a marshall stack, with fout internal "speakers", so you get slightly different tones from the top two to the bottom two.

Is it common to pan guitars hard right/left?
I'm really interested to learn how everyone does theirs in their mixes!
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Hmmm, so with the example you gave you'd have the same guitar part but on two channels with a slightly different sound, say one more bassy than the other? Don't see how that's much different to EQings the same guitar part differently on the left & right channels, but like I say I haven't tried that yet, maybe it's great.

I think it's common the double track the same guitar parts (two separate takes of the same part played as near identical as possible), but i don't know if other people hard pan them. I find it leaves lots of space in the 'middle' of the mix for other instruments and parts.
 
I will mic the cabinet with a 57 and a 421. Have the guitar player play the part twice. Once I decide which mic will be the meat of the sound, I pan those mics to about 10 and 2 o'clock. Then I hard pan the other mics and bring them up to fill in the sound. The guitars are big and full and colapse to mono very well.
 
Dude

WTF??? I'm on my work PC which I admit has horrible sound so maybe it is me. I can hardly hear the guitars....very muffled.

You joking?
 
Bartman said:
WTF??? I'm on my work PC which I admit has horrible sound so maybe it is me. I can hardly hear the guitars....very muffled.

You joking?
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it might be your speakers... it didnt sound terrible to me, but it wasnt that great...

oh and bartman... my girlfriend is from sugarland... i just was there over easter, its a nice, if youre into the suburban sprawl kinda thing :D
 
Suburban sprawl

Suburban sprawl is an accurate term......it just keeps moving west.

I lived in Austin back in the mid-90's....in River Place off 2222, close to Lake Travis.
 
Bartman said:
Suburban sprawl is an accurate term......it just keeps moving west.

I lived in Austin back in the mid-90's....in River Place off 2222, close to Lake Travis.
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I lived between Houston and Galveston 5 years ago right off 45. Wow, things sure are different in Texas. But I liked it down there but I had to come back here to NE Michigan to take care of Mom & Dad. I don't miss it but I enjoyed my time there. That 610 loop is an amazing feat!
 
usually do two double miced takes (LDC and a dynamic) and pan them hard
(not always). if i use more git than that (and i like to) i change git/amp/pedal/mic/all of the above to help fill out the sound, not so much the stereo field.

some times haveing a completely different sound up the middle can really kick the ass.
 
I Use A Very Complicated Technique..
I Run A Direct Out From My Line 6 To The Mixer..do 2-4 Takes
Of The Same Rhythm Track ..pan And Im Done...line 6 Kicks Ass
 
I like to mic up 2 different amps in 2 different rooms close up with '57s for a single take and turn them up loud. On the most recent project, we had my Marshall Artist 30w head with a 4x10 cab in the closet chained with another amp in the booth, which varied from song to song. sometimes the Marshall was working with a '74 model Sound City 50 (much like a Hiwatt) on an Ampeg 4x12. We also had a modified silverface Bassman or Mesa Boogie Nomad in there. On one cut we used a little 15w Vox Cambrige practice amp plugged into a Marshall 1x12 open back cab with a 12" celestion. The Artist made a great anchor to rotate the other amps against.

It was really great to work with another guitar player with a good selection of amps. Between the two of us, I think we have like 15 or so different amps. :eek:

Panned to taste depending on the song.
 
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