overhead mic for me

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i was set on getting a pair of 603s for my overheads but since i also need to get some other stuff for my rack and crap like that i have to use my money really wisely...

my room is all covered with acoustical ceiling tile (on the walls too) and the floor is carpeted, so its a pretty dead sounding room with no reflections and such...

i have a beta 52 on kick and a 57 on snare, what would best compliment these mics for a heavy rock sound

the 603s being the most i would spend if i had the money to spend, i also started looking at behringer ecm8000s, and i saw some mca sp1.....are the behringer and mca total crap without having to use a bunch of eq and compression because i'm just getting into rack gear and would like more of a straightforward mic that i wouldnt have to sit down and eq day and night....do the behringer and mca catch more bleed than the 603, please help me out with some pros and cons of each mic

thanks alot guys
 
I can give you part of the info you're looking for.... I love my ecm8000's. I set them up on the XY pattern. I got Great results from them in combination with the rest of my set-up, which was..... an SM57 positioned under the hi-hat & above the snare, (with a home-made 3 liter soda bottle end cut in the shape of a funnel and split down the midde so I could slide it onto the neck of the SM57. I then cut out the bottom of the 'funnel,' so as not to obstruct the sound from the snare below the mic. This gave me a shield over the top of my SM57 to force it to focus on the snare below it and not pick up much of the hi-hat above it). I also used a Nady Bass mic inside the bass drum, & a Nady Tom mic between the middle & low tom and got great results. (The cheap 3-pack Nady drum mics for like $89... comes with a kick mic & two tom mics, but I only used one of the tom mics 'caz I wanted to use my 57 for the snare)

After I cut my band's CD, I sent it in to a pro studio to have it evaluated and the only thing they said I should have done differently was use less reverb on the singing... (no complaints about the drum sound quality at all)... So,..... I'm a firm believer that you can mic your drums on a budget.. without buying the best of the best!)

Let's see....
2 emc8000's = $70
1 Nady drum 3pack = $89
1 SM57 = $79

Total= $238 in drum mics... Plus, the SM57, of course, can be used to record just about anything else in you band as well...


The room I recorded in was carpeted but the walls & ceiling were sheetrock so your room is different than mine. That may have been more info than you were looking for, but hey, my Momma is long-winded too.. :)
 
timandjes-thats a help....but when you recorded drums did you do them alone or have the whole band play at the same time but only track the drums?

kuz our songs have lots of little drum outs and drum ins so its WAY WAY easier with the whole band playing.....so my question would be do they pick up lots of bleed.....its okay if theyre a little...but when i go to record the guitar tracks i dont want the bleed from the 8000's of the guitar to compete with the one im tracking

thanks
 
There is no way you can record a kit with Omni's in a room wit han amp in it, and expect a little bleed....there will be just as much guitar as drums being picked up by the omni's.

You definitely need cardioid's; they will have a limited pattern, they will pick up less guitar- th key will be setting up the mic's for the drumkit, and then moving your amp around so that as little as possible get's picked up.

I use a pair of 603's, and when I was recording bandpractices, there was hardly any guitar or bass in them. (The real pain was the kick mics...the bass guitar was just as loud in the kicks as the drums were! Ugh!)
I wound up using triggers on the kicks to open the noise gates on the kicks via the key inputs. (dbx 166a on the kicks)



Tim
 
thanks alot tim.....with that im still set on the 603s jsut wanna find a good deal now
 
Yes, I recorded the drums alone. The ecm8000's are pretty sensitive... I had to scrap about 1000 tracks due to my kids yelling 3 rooms away.... :(

You just haven't lived until you try to have a 'home studio' in a house with 3 small kids running around!!! :) My wouldn't let me duct tape their mouth when I was recording... Can you imagine??? She, obviously has no appreciation for recording!
 
Yes, I recorded the drums alone. The ecm8000's are pretty sensitive... I had to scrap about 1000 tracks due to my kids yelling 3 rooms away.... :(

You just haven't lived until you try to have a 'home studio' in a house with 3 small kids running around!!! :) My wife wouldn't let me duct tape their mouth when I was recording... Can you imagine??? She, obviously has no appreciation for recording!
 
...why I sent that twice.... I have no idea??? Who's day is it to keep up with me anyway?
 
I played an outdoor festival recently, and the drums
for all of the bands were mic'd the same way:
Audio Technica bass drum mic (that comes with their $199 mic kit) for bass drum, and one overhead Audio Technica AT-45055(sorry, I am not 100% sure of the number-could be 4055?).
Remember we were outdoors, and the drums from every band
came through very well.
I was really impressed by this overhead, and may get one myself,
in the future.
 
timandjes said:

You just haven't lived until you try to have a 'home studio' in a house with 3 small kids running around!!! !
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try it with four kids
 
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