Outboard effects after tracking dry?

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Heres my setup. Alesis multimix 8 into pc. Recording mics and line in. I have a behringer outboard eq that i would like to incorporate into my already recorded tracks. I know of inserts but does that actually re record the track with the effect on it? Or is it just a matter of line out to the eq and return to the mixer to record a new track? Someone please explain all this to me in good details. Im thoroughly cornfused here
 
As far as I know the Multimix products only have 2-channel output, so if you want to send signal through some outboard processing you'll have to give up one channel of monitoring. It's probably not feasible with the gear you have.

The more important question is why the hell would you want to put your tracks through a Behringer eq anyway? There's no way that going through the DA converter, through the Behringer and then another AD conversion can ever not suck compared to a half decent eq plugin.
 
Ok that makes sense. Thanks for the reply. I guess i should sell the eq and just worry about plugins? Ive really been pondering that. While i have u. Can i ask u whats ur take on both the fast track pro and the isb mixer i have now. Should i switch?
 
I haven't used either so I couldn't make a comparison except on features.
 
Ok well thanks for all ur help. Im selling the eq definatly and workin in the box from now on. I just really wanted to branch out and try hardware stuff but i guess not ready yet. Anyway thanks
 
You don't want to use that EQ anyway. Seriously. The most humble plugin EQ is going to blow it away with great vengeance and furious anger.
 
Good choice. I have used Behringer EQ in live situations and the most charitable thing I can say about them is that they represent good value for the money they cost. However, when you consider that they are at the dirt cheap budget end of the market, that should say something about the quality. They tend to be a bit noisy and certainly prone to introducing phase-nasties into your signal. All EQ units cause some phase issues but on the Behringers they are fairly noticeable.

I've yet to hear "in the box" EQ that wasn't streets ahead of all but the best hardware EQ units.

Bob
 
I've used Behringer eqs live and the best I can say about them is the cables came out easily when they failed to function and I had to patch around them.
 
phase nasties? from a piece of gear other than a mic? this is news to me. how does this happen?
 
Well, the way analogue equalisers work is that you have filters [fixed or variable] select a small piece of the audio frequency range. That little piece of the audio is then added to the original signal in either positive or negative polarity ["boost" being the addition in positive polariy, "cut" being the addition in negative polarity].

Whenever you put a signal through an analog filter you're going to get a phase shift. The phase shift is a timing issue. For example, when you filter off the bottom you're not only cutting the low frequency information, you're also slowing down the low end component of the signal allowing the treble freqencies to pass first. If you roll off the top, you slow down the treble frequencies. The human brain can register even the smallest timing alteration within a signal.

In the case of an economy EQ, the midrange components are perceived by the brain slightly before the low and high ends. This gives you the perception of a slightly "thin" sound. Any EQ (or some other pieces of gear too) that was designed with insufficient headroom or with a bottom or top frequency response that rolls off too high or too low will exhibit this problem. This is why expensive gear with a silly-wide frequency response that extends outside the actual audible range are often described as sounding "fuller" or "richer".

Bob
 
All eq filters used in analog, and most digital, eqs alter the phase relationship of the frequencies within a signal.

But phase is a comparative measurement. Unless there's another copy of the same signal present with different processing it's inaudible. So you can eq like crazy and phase will not matter unless you copy the track and eq it differently.
 
I've used Behringer eqs live and the best I can say about them is the cables came out easily when they failed to function and I had to patch around them.



:laughings::laughings: Never heard it put that way before, but oh how true that must be. :D
 
All eq filters used in analog, and most digital, eqs alter the phase relationship of the frequencies within a signal.

But phase is a comparative measurement. Unless there's another copy of the same signal present with different processing it's inaudible. So you can eq like crazy and phase will not matter unless you copy the track and eq it differently.

There's a good article on the issue of phase shifts in EQ HERE and some links at the bottom to demonstrations which let you hear (or not hear!) the effects.

You're quite right that, technically, it's not the phase shift that causes the problems. However, the comb filtering effects ARE audible and they are caused by the phase shift.

Anyway, back to the topic, the Behringer unit is bad for this!

Bob
 
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