Opinions? Mixer/Interfaces - USB

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Don't see many reviews anywhere for these devices, just wondering if people have used them. As I am still using a stand-alone recorder, I would love something that lets me plug everything in, then I can just route the channels out to my recorder, I am never recording more than 2 tracks at a time - but I'd also like the Audio interface ability for computer recording when/if I do it.

Alesis Multimix 8

Yamaha Audiogram 6

Peavey PV6 or PV8
 
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It is a handheld, 4-track digital recorder that is *also* a computer interface. It comes with Cubase software, but is compatible with Reason, Audacity, Reaper, etc. (almost everything but Pro Tools). It has 2 combi-jacks which can accept XLR mics , or 1/4" line inputs, and can be configured for high-z (guitar, bass, etc. direct). It has a bunch of available effects, including amp modeling, or you can use the software in the computer. It runs off a wall wart or batteries. At the flip of a switch, it becomes a USB powered computer interface, using the computer's processing and memory. It provides phantom power for condenser mics, and records onto SD cards in standalone mode, up to 32 gigs. That's about 22 track hours (11 hours in stereo) per card, at 24bit/96kHz. You can dump the finished tracks into the computer and then record more tracks, up to the limits of the software. In standalone mode, it records up to 4 tracks, and you can mix and edit in the recorder, or dump it to the computer as WAV. files and do it there. It also has a built-in pair of stereo mics, a 1/8" stereo input for an external stereo mic, and a 1/8" input for computer mics that require "plug in power". Here are the major limitations (and they're not that bad):

It can record 2 tracks at a time in any bit depth and resolution, from wicked stupid MP3 (good for lectures, etc.) up to 24 bit/96khz, but- If you want to record 3 or 4 simultaneous tracks, it can only be done in 16bit/44.1kHz (same as a CD), and you can only use the onboard effects and modeling in 4 track mode. And- when you plug in a stereo mic, it disables the onboard mics, so if you want to record 4 tracks at once, 2 of them have to be the onboard mics, or an external stereo mic. So- for example, you could do a drum kit with it on 4 tracks. Using the included mic stand adapter and the available (not included) remote control card, which is very handy, BTW, you can put the H4n on a mic stand and use the onboard stereo mics as the overheads. You plug the kick drum and snare mics into the XLR inputs, and record all 4 tracks, and pan and EQ them with the H4n, or in the computer, but *only* in 16bit/44.1kHz. Of course, you could also use an outboard stereo mic for the overheads. I use this discontinued bad boy, which is a bit of a step up from the onboard mics, which are actually pretty good:

www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/150435-REG/Sony_ECMMS957_ECM_MS957_Stereo_Condenser.html

For what you are talking about, you could just record your 2 tracks at a time in any resolution you want as WAV. files, play them back by the H4n's USB, and add tracks up to the limits of the software (in Cubase, I think that's 16). What's not to love? It is a idea scratch pad for a recording artist, you can use it to learn the basics of computer recording, and it fits in a guitar case. I've been using mine for nearly 2 years, and it has proven itself to be damned useful. Aside from that, when you graduate to a big-ass computer system, it will still be useful as a remote stereo recorder, headphone amp, and notepad.
Just my .02 cents.-Richie

P.S.- If you want more tracks, the H4n has some big brothers, the netbook-sized R16, and the laptop sized R24, which do all the same stuff, but with more tracks, more inputs, and faders:

http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=60335&Category=Recorders

http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=45481&Category=Recorders
 
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Thanks, Richard - I already have a digital recorder (Boss BR 600), and the Zoom is x2 over my budget.
 
No, actually I don't NEED a cheap interface at this stage. I'd like something with a little more. Am I to understand that the preamps or Digital converters in the mixers listed above are not very good?
 
If you want something to record into a computer you want Firewire rather than USB.
 
Well, here's the good news and the bad news. Of course the preamps and A-D conversion of those units isn't that good, but neither are the ones in the units I recommended. Really good preamps and AD converters are likely to cost $1000 or more per channel. Given that that's not realistic right now, the more you ask the unit to do for dirt cheap, the worse it gets. I would advise spending the limited budget on gear that does less better, rather than more worse. That said, I haven't used any of the devices you listed above, but my experiences with cheap mixers causes me to lean toward the Yamaha and Peavey units above, and away from the Alesis. That's just my experience- YMMV. And I'm not sure I agree with what C7sus said above. That info may be a tad dated. They've been doing successful multitrack recording via USB for some time now. One caveat, though- some high end mics don't do well with less than the full 48v of phantom power, and USB powered devices, including the ones I recommended, tend to produce somewhat less than the nominal 48v. Just be careful when you buy condenser mics, and make sure that they can run on the real-world phantom power your USB-powered device can provide.-Richie
 
I frequently use a BR 1600 stand alone-recorder for tracking on location, then convert the data to WAV files in the recorder and import them into Cubase LE on the computer for mixing. I can overdub on the computer using an interface (Lexicon Omega), or record more virtual tracks on the BR and import those to add to the original imported tracks.
 
USB 2.0: 60 MB/sec
Firewire 400: 50 MB/sec
Firewire 800: 100 MB/sec

You're not gonna see much difference recording only 2 channels at once.
 
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