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That is what I get when trying to access an old NAS drive in win 10. I can use it in w7 but the setup is very slow. I can access the drive's info from my router but don't know what to change or if a fix is possible. Yes there is a microsoft link I can try but they are almost always a chocolate teapot!

Dave.
 
This might be the rare exception where following the link would have helped. :ROFLMAO:

There are instructions for enabling SMB 1.0 in windows 10 that you can try.

  1. In Control Panel, select Programs and Features.
  2. Under Control Panel Home, select Turn Windows features on or off to open the Windows Features box.
  3. In the Windows Features box, scroll down the list, tick the check box for SMB 1.0/CIFS File Sharing Support and select OK.
  4. After Windows applies the change, on the confirmation page, select Restart now.
Hopefully that's solves the problem. (y)
 
It might also be that you may need to mount the drives to the computer. Just in case Steen's solution doesn't work.
 
Steenamaroo said:
This might be the rare exception where following the link would have helped. :ROFLMAO:

There are instructions for enabling SMB 1.0 in windows 10 that you can try.

  1. In Control Panel, select Programs and Features.
  2. Under Control Panel Home, select Turn Windows features on or off to open the Windows Features box.
  3. In the Windows Features box, scroll down the list, tick the check box for SMB 1.0/CIFS File Sharing Support and select OK.
  4. After Windows applies the change, on the confirmation page, select Restart now.
Hopefully that's solves the problem. (y)
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I did have a look at that but my logic said I was looking for "SMB2 protocol" and couldn't find it. Will try turning SMB1 on.
Thanks chaps.

Dave.
 
It sounds like you either need to make the Nas support SMB2 or make windows support SMB1.
The latter is what I've described.
 
Steenamaroo said:
It sounds like you either need to make the Nas support SMB2 or make windows support SMB1.
The latter is what I've described.
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Steenamaroo said:
It sounds like you either need to make the Nas support SMB2 or make windows support SMB1.
The latter is what I've described.
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Yes mate, the penny has dropped eeeventually! I have found that "Freecom" are now owned by Verbatim but my model number is not found. Luckily they give an email address so I have asked if the newer protocol is available.

Now, in the event that it cannot run on W10 (and so W11 never!) do you think the drive would work as normal if I removed the NAS PCB? It is a Samsung 2TB drive so seems a shame to bin it. Looks like it just unplugs from the SATA connectors but I shan't dive in too deep unless or until I find I cannot network it.

Call me an old Scrooge IF yer like!

Dave.
 
Well, that's the reason I suggested just enabling SMB1 on Windows 10.
It's the simplest of all possible solutions.

Whether your NAS drive would work (maintaining your data) plugged directly into a computer...I can't answer I'm afraid.
If it's a single drive then raid wont be in play but there could be some kind of encryption or other obstacles.

If the NAS offers other protocols that should be something you can find in its panel / setup menus but, honestly, just enabling SMB1 in Windows 10 should be the simplest.
 
Steenamaroo said:
Well, that's the reason I suggested just enabling SMB1 on Windows 10.
It's the simplest of all possible solutions.

Whether your NAS drive would work (maintaining your data) plugged directly into a computer...I can't answer I'm afraid.
If it's a single drive then raid wont be in play but there could be some kind of encryption or other obstacles.

If the NAS offers other protocols that should be something you can find in its panel / setup menus but, honestly, just enabling SMB1 in Windows 10 should be the simplest.
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I am in no rush, I can access the drive via a USB port so can dump the data off it. If push come to shove I can use it as a USB drive with a 12V wall rat. I shall hold off on the SMB1 fix as I am a bit worried about the dire security warnings in my first post. Not that there is anything on the drive that is of the slightest value or interest to anyone else.
I'll give Verbatim a day or two then try SMB1.

Dave.
 
My USB network drive is connected to my router. I am able to read it from any of my Windows computers, but I couldn't get my Linux computer to connect. I tried mounting, added SMB, etc, but it just didn't go. No big deal, all I use that for is learning Linux and occasional browsing.
 
On my synology NAS you cannot mount the drive outside of the NAS - the file format is not recognised at all. Don't know if this is common to all NAS drives?
 
Steenamaroo is more then likely correct in his solution. I'd be more concerned about using an old NAS for anything serious then enabling SMB1. If the hard drives have never been changed in it, they are more then likely in a state of failure.

@rob aylestone Most NAS's (if not all, there might be some oddball Windows NAS out there, but not that I'm aware of) run some flavor of Linux and as such the hard drives will be using a file system like EXT4 (and other Linux variations), which is not natively readable by Windows.
 
Eric Malone said:
Steenamaroo is more then likely correct in his solution. I'd be more concerned about using an old NAS for anything serious then enabling SMB1. If the hard drives have never been changed in it, they are more then likely in a state of failure.

@rob aylestone Most NAS's (if not all, there might be some oddball Windows NAS out there, but not that I'm aware of) run some flavor of Linux and as such the hard drives will be using a file system like EXT4 (and other Linux variations), which is not natively readable by Windows.
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The drive is old but has not had very much use, nothing like the day to day thrashing a C drive gets. I shall probably just use it as a "back up,back up" IYSWIM!

I take your point Eric that the drive itself probably runs a Linux so if I cannot get it running as a NAS I can always hook it up via USB. I could also run a disk check? Probably take most of a day for 2 TBs?


Dave.
 
You got me thinking that it might be time for me to pick up a spare network drive. Mine has been running 24/7 since 2016. It's got under 2 TB, It might be time to put an SSD on the network, to remove the moving parts. It would mostly be reads, writes don't happen with any regularity. It would cost double what a spinner would cost. Speed isn't a priority. It's backup storage of records and documents, video and audio files, downloaded programs with activation codes, etc.
 
TalismanRich said:
You got me thinking that it might be time for me to pick up a spare network drive. Mine has been running 24/7 since 2016. It's got under 2 TB, It might be time to put an SSD on the network, to remove the moving parts. It would mostly be reads, writes don't happen with any regularity. It would cost double what a spinner would cost. Speed isn't a priority. It's backup storage of records and documents, video and audio files, downloaded programs with activation codes, etc.
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Re my drive being an "old spinner" I assume drives fail due to use, i.e. the constant thrashing about of the read heads? This NAS had a 10 minute 'spin down' function I set on it so when I saved data on it I could hear it go "wheee" as it spun up to write (or access it for data) Therefore, although the drive is probably 6-7 years old, for 99.99% of that time it has been idle. Powered and warm but not spinning.
I have been messin' with 'puters now for some 19 years and have never had a hard drive fail save one I dropped!

I in fact have it USB'ed to my w10 desktop which has run a health check. No nasties found. I am now going to install "Defraggler" and do that!

Dave
 
That's a pretty slick little device. CD drives aren't all that widely used much anymore, unless you're watching movies on your computer. The hard drive is infinitely more useful.
 
TalismanRich said:
That's a pretty slick little device. CD drives aren't all that widely used much anymore, unless you're watching movies on your computer. The hard drive is infinitely more useful.
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Indeed, and I have just backed up an image of my C drive on it...problem, when prompted to make a System Repair disc it refused because of course there is no CD drive! I thought though that it would give me the option to put it on a USB stick?

More investigation needed!

Dave.
 
TalismanRich said:
That's a pretty slick little device. CD drives aren't all that widely used much anymore, unless you're watching movies on your computer. The hard drive is infinitely more useful.
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Yup, very handy little thing to have.
I remember doing the same thing with my 2011 Macbook Pro.
Even back then an optical drive was pretty much useless to me. An extra SSD over sata was way more useful.
 
ecc83 said:
Indeed, and I have just backed up an image of my C drive on it...problem, when prompted to make a System Repair disc it refused because of course there is no CD drive! I thought though that it would give me the option to put it on a USB stick?

More investigation needed!

Dave.
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You might want to research that. I didn't look, but I though you could do a repair disk on USB drive. Maybe the USB drive was too small?
 
DM60 said:
You might want to research that. I didn't look, but I though you could do a repair disk on USB drive. Maybe the USB drive was too small?
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Actually it was a card in a USB reader with 29G free but further reading shows everybody and their unc' is offering THEIR software to make a repair 'disc' it seems it must be a clean one. It gets formatted during the process.

Got to find a safe download and get a spare stick. Too 'king cold to go out tomorrow though!

Dave.
 
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