Oktava MK 319 mic

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I bought one of these today at GC. The weird thing is this: The "List Price" on the mic says $599.99 (I won't say how much I paid for the mic, but it was definitely a deal), but I can't find anything anywhere on the net about this particular mic being $600.

Does anyone have any idea about what this mic is really priced?
 
All the Oktavas are like that. The list price on MC012's is $499. I buy them from GC for $60. Generally, an MK319 is $99.-Richie
 
No one pays list for ANYTHING. Take a look at a Musician's Friend catalog sometime-retail is just some fictional number that they make up to make their "sale" price look like a great deal.
 
I snagged one of these at GC today too. $59 Haven't decided if it's a keeper yet. Output seems pretty low. Does that sound right to you other 319 owners. (oh, and mine said 599 list, too.)
 
H2oskiphil said:
No one pays list for ANYTHING. Take a look at a Musician's Friend catalog sometime-retail is just some fictional number that they make up to make their "sale" price look like a great deal.

Not true.

It's the number that tells you how much the retailer had to pay for the item. Guitars and such are typically an 'A' mark, which means the instrument cost the retailer 50% of the list price. Keyboards and pro audio gear generally carry a 'B' mark which means the store had to pay 60% of the list price. In some cases and for most esoteric pro audio stuff you get into 'C' (75% of list) or above. These numbers are not hard and fast - quick pay discounts, stores that carry merchandise that they haven't paid for yet on 'floor plan', etc all factor in, but the numbers have been pretty much the same for years.

I really have a hard time believing that GC paid $359 for the Oktava mic in question though...
 
mjr said:
Cool. I paid $20 for it.
Anything under $99 (new) is a good price... $20 is great if it's a good sounding MK-319 (I've read that they don't all sound the same)... I like the one I have.
 
ssscientist said:
Not true.

It's the number that tells you how much the retailer had to pay for the item. Guitars and such are typically an 'A' mark, which means the instrument cost the retailer 50% of the list price. Keyboards and pro audio gear generally carry a 'B' mark which means the store had to pay 60% of the list price. In some cases and for most esoteric pro audio stuff you get into 'C' (75% of list) or above. These numbers are not hard and fast - quick pay discounts, stores that carry merchandise that they haven't paid for yet on 'floor plan', etc all factor in, but the numbers have been pretty much the same for years.

I really have a hard time believing that GC paid $359 for the Oktava mic in question though...

What you're saying may have been true in the past, but I think the days of retail and/or list price being a valid reference for wholesale cost are pretty much gone. The rise of the internet retailers has made the "retail" price irrelevant, since their margins aren't dependant on having a showroom, displays or sales staff.

I think "list" is quickly becoming a travesty. The manufacturer can call "list" whatever they want (see MSRP...)-they know damn well that there isn't a retailer out there that will actually GET that much for their product, unless it's in a full service retailer that doesn't discount...and those are few and far between....

The only exception may be in the more esoteric high-end stuff where the dealer base is small and/or demand outpaces supply...there won't be 40 different online retailers price-warring the thing, so they can get a decent margin on the product. The other exception (at least in HOME audio) is a manufacturer like Bose, who absolutely controls dealer pricing and will not allow their product to be advertised under list. Dealers that violate the rule can and do lose their distribution rights for Bose products. (The funny thing about that is that, IMHO, Bose products generally SUCK. But the average consumer thinks that Bose stuff is great because of the way it's marketed....so they're willing to pay a premium for the product...poor bastards...).
 
H2oskiphil said:
What you're saying may have been true in the past, but I think the days of retail and/or list price being a valid reference for wholesale cost are pretty much gone. The rise of the internet retailers has made the "retail" price irrelevant, since their margins aren't dependant on having a showroom, displays or sales staff.

I think "list" is quickly becoming a travesty. The manufacturer can call "list" whatever they want (see MSRP...)-they know damn well that there isn't a retailer out there that will actually GET that much for their product, unless it's in a full service retailer that doesn't discount...and those are few and far between....

The only exception may be in the more esoteric high-end stuff where the dealer base is small and/or demand outpaces supply...there won't be 40 different online retailers price-warring the thing, so they can get a decent margin on the product. The other exception (at least in HOME audio) is a manufacturer like Bose, who absolutely controls dealer pricing and will not allow their product to be advertised under list. Dealers that violate the rule can and do lose their distribution rights for Bose products. (The funny thing about that is that, IMHO, Bose products generally SUCK. But the average consumer thinks that Bose stuff is great because of the way it's marketed....so they're willing to pay a premium for the product...poor bastards...).
I agree... as a customer/buyer I know list price doesn't mean dodo to me.
 
DJL said:
I agree... as a customer/buyer I know list price doesn't mean dodo to me.
I'm sorry, I don't quite catch your drift - dodos are extinct. Since list prices are sort of extinct also, as far as being meaningful, I'd think they would mean dodo to you.
 
Is the output on the 319 typically lower than other condensers? I'm thinkin' I got a bad one.
 
It ranges depending on what your comparing it to. I've got (3) 319's and the output is slightly greater than my AKG 3000 and less than my MXL V93.

With curiousity, are you doing a direct compare to other mics? If so which ones?
 
I compared the output of the 319 to An MXL V57, AT3035, and a shure SM81.

The MXL and AT mics are significantly hotter, and the shure is closer to the 319.

With the roll off in the flat position, the 319 is louder than with the roll off engaged. Doesn't always work that way with my other mics.

A couple of other things I noticed today. The diaphragm in the 319 seems to be installed crooked. That is, not facing directly out the front of the screen, but to the side ever so slightly. If I sing into it slightly off-axis, it does better.

Also, I keep hearing about what a dark mic this is. I realize these terms might mean different things to different people, but the mic seems ultra-clear to me. The others sound kind of "warm and fuzzy" by comparison.

Blind Cowboy, if you've got 3 of these then I'm guessing you're a fan of them. Any comments about them and what you find them useful on?
 
I'm a fan of cheap functional mics. I like the 319 because it can fill in anywhere nicely. I use them for overheads, acoustic guitar (great behind the bridge), mandolin, and violin (takes some of the harsh out) mostly. I like a brighter mic for my ukulele. Yea. ukulele. mmmm. They sit nice as room mics or offset from a guitar cab.

I use them mostly as secondaries. Meaning, i'll have a mic I want extreme clarity on in the forefront. Vocals, etc. Then I will surround that clarity with mics like the 319 that will soften and smooth the edges a bit. That may not make much sense. But, it's the best way I can explain it.

There are some excellent mics out there for pennies and perform like jewels. The 319 is one of a handful of mics that is a great purchase and i've always been happy with them.
 
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