ok. this is asked a lot... it's about drums.

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Oh REALLY????
yeah sorry i know everyone keeps asking bout drums but hell it's important. I've got a very picky drummer with no money. We as a band bought some 57's (3). and probably gonna purchase a 58. Now everyone says it's best to use two condensor overhead, correct? Any idea what? And for the kick, are there cheaper solutions then a shure kick mic? The 57's can be used for snare and hi-hatt, correct? so that leaves the toms.

Now it's probably in here somewhere i know i know. And before Ed starts bashing me about having to go to the mic forum, you're probably right but PLEASE?

So the real question is how much is he going to have to spend for a kick ass drum sound? (Well, at least in potential kick ass...;))

Can't i use the 58 for toms in some bizarre placement?


Thanks,
guhlenn:)
 
You can use SM57/58 for kick, snare and toms just fine.

Do a search for overhead mics.. There's plenty of info around, and you'll probably pick up some more good advice when you read all the posts..
 
Try something like this.
Sm-57 on the snare. This will also pick up the hi hat.
SM-57 or 58 in the kick.
One decent condenser over head picking up the whole kit.
The over head mic would be the drum track and just bring the kick and snare mics up to reinforce the over head.
 
The toms will be picked up by the over head. If you can't get them loud enough compared to the cymbals my moving the mics around I guess you just have to mic them separately?
Right?
 
yeah i know that's what i'm asking. the last time we recorded (in a so called 'studio') he had two mic's for three toms and was bitching bout that all the time. Now he's probably just annoying and should have shut up. But i'm trying to figure out a cheap way to get a killer drum sound. as he's gonna bitch about me now instead of the engineer (it was funny THEN...)

ah well,

keep it coming, please?

guhlenn

ps regebro, can i get more tom in the overhead by pointing the mic to the tom? or is the distance key?

thanks
 
Unless it's an omni mic, pointing it more towards the toms should work too. It might change the sound a bit though, directional mics often have sligthly different frequency responses in different directions...

I have no great experience in micing drums, maybe you can get more hints by asking in the Drums and Percussions forum?
I have never tried this, but maybe you can start with having one (or two if you want stereo) overhead mics and positioning this so that the whole kit sounds OK, and then adding closed mics if you feel the need? Hopefully, you can use only the overheads, which will SURELY put your drummer in a tailspin. That should be fun! :)
 
I still haven't tried this, but when I get the mics, I'll experiment a lot with it.

Kick SM57 (if I don't buy a dedicated mic)
Snare SM57 (might use 2)
Overheads Oktava MC012 (or Rode NT-3)
1 SM57 under each tom..

I'll tell you how it turns out...
 
be sure to do that! for the kick he'll just have to buy a godamn mike, toms can be done by 57's... hmmm that leaves the overheads snare and hi-hatt... is recording snare and hi-hatt together a good solution or a good solution if you're not willing to spend a 100 freakin bucks?

greetz guhlenn
 
Most of the time, hi-hat's are loud enough that you wont need a seperate mic...the overhead(s) should pick it up fine...In your situation, I wouldn't waste a mic on it...

-travis
 
I have got some killer drum sounds with just, kick, snare and two O/H's. But the drums have to sound good in the first place.
I just did a session with two drummers (I was one of them) and we didn't have enough tracks to multitrack everything, so we did the above and then put up a couple of extra room mics. It came out great.

IMHO, if it isn't for a commercial release, don't bother micing everything.

Brenton

PS 57 on snare, a 57 isn't too bad on kick and beg, borrow or hire a couple of condensors. You will probably need to compress the O/Hs.
 
there's the AKG D112 mic which is for bass drums thats not too expensive. theres also an insanely cheap Audio technica version but ive forgot the model.

if you guys run into some money, there's a real good sennheiser drum micing package, some REALY good mics included with it. ask your dealer bout it.
 
Well,

first of all thanks. This has been asked too many times but you still answer. that's great.

Now it's for a commercial release AND we have (as mentioned above) a picky drummer. He'll pay i guess what's really necesary (his dad is helpfull too;)) And if i run into money i would spend it all before HIS mic's would even come to my mind... hehehehe. I would tell him that was more needed and he has to buy the mic's himself... hehehe I have gathered a fine list of things i want/need so...

Thanks for the ideas, I'll let you know what i've done...

Guhlenn;)
 
Might want to check out a Sennheiser 421 as well. Multi-purpose mic, works well on toms and kick.
 
thanks all,


The thing i sthat he searched for a mic set and when he finally got something he liked he would have to spend at least $2.5K. no you may not be scared now but he was (i can imagine). guess we'll have to look for second hand a lot...

Tell me if i'm right:
AT 4033 x2 for overhead = GOOD
some kick mic (he is even more picky bout the kick so wouldn't know...)
57 for snare
57 for hihatt
toms... i heard of recording the 4 toms at once with one mic would it be possible to get a GOOD sound liek that?
i do mean a good sound (supposing my other equipment is good.)

Thanks ,
Guhlenn;)
 
try to borrow some mics
or possibly rent some nice mics for a few days
another option..
if your serious about releasing something why not go into a small studio and get some drum tracks cut with a decent engineer..could probably get it done in 1-2 days and finish the rest at home
 
Look into the Sennheiser e602 for kick, they run about $175-200 new, and even your picky drummer should like the sound...If I was in your place, though, I'd tell the drummer to do his own damn research, buy whatever the hell he wants, and stop whining so much...drummers can be replaced :)
 
Id look at Sennheiser too. You can get a sennheiser drum miking pack for a reasonable price. The D112 from AKG is a good kick mic if you need it. If you can afford it, an AKG C414 sounds amazing on a snare, with a SM57 on the bottom and a 414 on top...gorgeous.
 
thanks y'all,

i've got a pretty clear picture now. and i should let the drummer do his own research but he is extremly lazy and thinks it 'll get done somnehow. he's good though so he's not so expendable... too bad;)

ah for a drummer he is not sooo bad... for a drummer that is ;)

greetz & thanks
Guhlenn:)
 
guhlenn said:
thanks y'all,

i've got a pretty clear picture now. and i should let the drummer do his own research but he is extremly lazy and thinks it 'll get done somnehow. he's good though so he's not so expendable... too bad;)

ah for a drummer he is not sooo bad... for a drummer that is ;)

greetz & thanks
Guhlenn:)
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Instead of buyin One Sm-58, why don't you put that money into one of the prepackage kits?
You can get CAD, Audio Technica, and NADy mic's in Prepackaged sets , and I've been talking to a few soundmen that do pro shows for local touring acts (they provide sound for bands that come though the region) and they checked all those lines out, and so far-I'm hearing good things...and these guys are pretty damned picky.

You can get these from Musician's Friend (Not) for under $250 for a set-and the nady's are like 5 mic's for $200 bucks US!

I'm seriously thinking about picking up a set of them.

Tim
 
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