OK...are laptops really up to this stuff yet?

Jedman

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After my brief chat with Kremitmusic in my earlier post, I realized what a total noob I am at this stuff. So, I went to B&N and got the book, MIDI Power 2nd Ed. by Robert Guerin. Very interesting; I'm about 1/3 the way through it now. I am at total loss as to which interface, programs and synths I need at this point. Too many choices!

The idea shaping in my mind is this...I'd really like to get good at MIDI...with a little recording twist, of course. I can play the piano fairly decent, and my brother just moved and gave me his large Yamaha Digital Piano. (I was thinking to use this as the controller because the weighted action is very nice to play.)
Once I get the notes in, the goal would be to copy and paste, and generally massage portions of the tracks so I had an entire ensamble worth of music notes there. Then, I'd like to compile it "in my computer" i.e. purchase some kind of soft synth or modeling program that would let me build an orchestra or symphony right from my computer. Then I could do one of two things - send MIDI files to people like my Dad who has the Yamaha Disklavier, or record my own synths playing the song and master it to CD for "normal people" who just want to listen to an instrumental song.

What I'm wondering is...are laptops really powerful enough now to do this stuff w/out crashing or overheating?
Are the soft synths good enough at this point, or will I have to purchase external rack-mount synths to get the instrument sounds to be convincing? My thinking is scrap the laptop idea if I am going to have to purchase external hardware at some point anyway. But the idea of a small, take anywhere unit does have its appeal!

And lastly...anywhere else (linky?) that I can go ask these questions if I'm boring people here to death?
Thanks for any thoughts from current users / gear heads. :)

Jed
 
i have a friend who does it all the time, with no problems, even on a decent 3 year old laptop you could do it.

just disable alot of the power management and wireless internet.

if you want, get an eSata card and an external drive :D
 
I used to do 96k/24-bit live recording on an old laptop (one of the first ever P4 laptops, what a mistake it was putting a radiator in a laptop :eek:) with no real problems. At times I'd have to take the casing apart and remove the keyboard to expose the CPU to make sure it stayed cool, but that was because half the fans were knackered :D

For soft-synths where quite a bit of processing is required - not just streaming data to disk - you would obvious need something more stable with a far more power, but yes, current mid/high-end laptops are perfectly capable of doing what you talk about.
 
Yeah, I know what you mean about the early P4 laptops - I had one of those early Dell XPS laptops with the Prescott P4 chip, 2GB ram and one of the first mobile graphics chip w/ 128mb of RAM on it...they called it a desktop replacement (they weren't kidding...it was 8lbs) and that thing got HOT! :-) Only reason I bought it was because I was moving, so I sold my desktop and got it. That's long gone, though, and have been desktop for at least 3 years again.

EDIT: After poking around a bit, seems prices have come way down and specs way up since I last looked at laptops (admittedly a long time ago). I've just been into the desktop & photoshop world so long...I will seriously consider getting a laptop for this at some point, then.

Well, enjoying the chat anyway.
Thanks,
Jed
 
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Been using a single-core P4 laptop (2.8Ghz with 1.5Gb of RAM) hooked up to a Motu828mkII daisy-chained to a Glyph firewire drive for over 2 years with ZERO problems.

Laptops are fine for some time.

Here's some starter info for 'ya:

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My obligatory standard reply-for-newbies that I keep in Wordpad:

First off, immediately get a good beginner recording book (spend $20 before spending hundred$/thousand$) that shows you what you need to get started and how to hook everything up in your studio:
Home Recording for Musicians by Jeff Strong - $15
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/07...ce&n=283155&n=507846&s=books&v=glance
(Wish I'd had that when I started; would have saved me lots of money and time and grief)
You can also pick up this book in most any Borders or Barnes&Noble in the Music Books section!

Another good one is: Recording Guitar and Bass by Huw Price
http://www.amazon.com/Recording-Gui...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215734124&sr=1-1
(I got my copy at a place called Half-Price Books for $6!!)

And you can get a FREE subscription to TapeOp magazine at www.tapeop.com

Barnes&Noble or Borders are great places to start --- they have recording books and you can go get a snack or coffee and read them for FREE! Don't pass by a good recording book --- this is a VERY technical hobby and you REALLY want to start a reference library!!!

Good Newbie guides that also explains all the basics and have good tips:
http://www.tweakheadz.com/guide.htm
http://www.computermusic.co.uk/page/computermusic?entry=free_beginner_pdfs
http://www.harmony-central.com/articles/

21 Ways To Assemble a Recording Rig: http://www.tweakheadz.com/rigs.htm

Also Good Info: http://www.theprojectstudiohandbook.com/directory.htm

Other recording books: http://musicbooksplus.com/home-recording-c-31.html

Still using a built-in soundcard?? Unfortunately, those are made with less than $1 worth of chips for beeps, boops and light gaming (not to mention cheapness for the manufacturer) and NOT quality music production.
#1 Rule of Recording: You MUST replace the built-in soundcard.
Here's a good guide and suggestions: http://www.tweakheadz.com/soundcards_for_the_home_studio.htm


Plenty of software around to record for FREE to start out on:

Audacity: http://audacity.sourceforge.net (multi-track with VST support)
Wavosaur: http://www.wavosaur.com/ (a stereo audio file editor with VST support)\
Kristal: http://www.kreatives.org/kristal/
Other freebies and shareware: www.hitsquad.com/smm

Another great option is REAPER at http://www.cockos.com/reaper/ (It's $50 but runs for free until you get guilty enough to pay for it...)
I use Reaper and highly reccomend it...

Music Notation and MIDI recording: Melody Assistant ($25) and Harmony Assistant ($80) have the power of $600 notation packages - http://myriad-online.com
Demo you can try on the website.

And you can go out to any Barnes&Noble or Borders and pick up "Computer Music" magazine - they have a full FREE studio suite in every issue's DVD, including sequencers, plugins and tons of audio samples. (November 2006 they gave away a full copy of SamplitudeV8SE worth $150, November 2007-on the racks Dec in the US- they gave away SamplitudeV9SE. It pays to watch 'em for giveaways...)
 
I make all of my music on a laptop. I use a lot of Reason tracks and I use a few choice vsts. I have hardware synths too because I like hardware synths mainly but I have no problems with software synths what so ever.
 
Thanks Tim and X Man for the tips! I will definately check out some of those links to go along with the MIDI Power book I just purchased from B&N.

As you can see from my replies to Lavely's post, I have been very into desktop rigs and gaming type systems for a while, but have not used a laptop since the Prescott P4 cpu days! :-)

I will definatley be checking some laptops out, then...the idea of being able to take my DAW with me to friends' houses is very appealing at this stage in the game for me.

Jed
 
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