Oh by the way...XP Pro sucks ass!

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After a day of screwin' with an install, it reminded me of 98 first edition in just how thoroughly messed up and stupid it is about installing stuff. The interface is messy too. I just can't figure out why MS went and screwed with a good thing they had going on with 2K!!!

I give the two thumbs up to 2000 as the best Windows OS for a DAW.

Ed
 
Maybe you just don't know what you're doing? I've never had trouble installing any of the OS's.

Maybe you should switch to Mac :D
 
sonusman said:
The interface is messy too.
I give the two thumbs up to 2000 as the best Windows OS for a DAW.

Ed
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The interface can be switched back to "classic view", which is how 2k and 98 look.

If I recall correctly, XP is based on 2k, and supposed to be the most reliable OS ever from MS.

AL
 
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The interface can be switched back to "classic view", which is how 2k and 98 look.

If I recall correctly, XP is based on 2k, and supposed to be the most reliable OS ever from MS.

AL
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Yeah, that's how I have my notebook running. Turning off the "XP" interface sped things up considerably, and saves power too.
 
sonusman said:
After a day of screwin' with an install, it reminded me of 98 first edition in just how thoroughly messed up and stupid it is about installing stuff. The interface is messy too. I just can't figure out why MS went and screwed with a good thing they had going on with 2K!!!

I give the two thumbs up to 2000 as the best Windows OS for a DAW.

Ed
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Huh? Do you have much experience with a computer? Especially with 2k better than XP. That's like Win98 better than WIN98 SE. I never had any problems with it and besides now I've never heard of anyone not being able to install stuff. Or maybe I just can't properly grasp what you are talking about.
 
usually when people update an os and say that it screwed up their computer, it usually means that they diddn't get the correct drivers to support all of their external equipment.
 
sonusman said:
After a day of screwin' with an install, it reminded me of 98 first edition in just how thoroughly messed up and stupid it is about installing stuff. The interface is messy too. I just can't figure out why MS went and screwed with a good thing they had going on with 2K!!!

I give the two thumbs up to 2000 as the best Windows OS for a DAW.

Ed
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Apparently alive and well.

Welcome back, Ed.

Hope your time away was pleasant. :)
 
Well, I'm with Ed. The initial (clean, after reformat, _not_ upgrade!) install I did when going from W98SE to XP on my DAW took two full days, with the installer getting BSODs, having to reinstall multiple times to get it to complete at all, and the same general litany of woes. I did finally get it working, after much thrashing: but you should never assume that because a given install was trivial for you, it will be trivial for anyone else. The problems Ed is having are not a reflection on his expertise, I assure you.

I had painstakingly gathered the latest drivers for all my hardware, updated the bios and flashed the flash to the latest revs for XP support, and done everything that you supposedly need to do to have the best chance of success: but the probability is never 100%. I suspect that it is actually much lower, probably 75-80%, given the fact that we have all built machines that differ _radically_ from Joe and Mary Sixpack's gameplaying/pornsurfing machines. And when it goes wrong, it goes _very_ wrong, and it _stays_ very wrong.

I make my living working with and designing computers (unix boxes, not pcs), and I 'm not happy with the concept that the phase of the moon controls how your upgrade/install will work. However, with the Microsoft stuff, that appears to be the state of the art. Such is life. There are so many interactions between hardware and software, and Microsoft makes so many unsupported assumptions (for your convenience, of course), that their installers are really "plug and *pray*" much more than "plug and play".

Having said that: stay with it, Ed. Once you finally get all the cartoony shit out of the way, XP is rock solid. You have to jump through a lot of hoops to get the user interface junk to go away, and there are the usual nonobvious optimizations that you _must_ do to make the system really work- but once you do them, you'll like it. I never dealt with W2K itself, but XP is radically more stable than W98SE was. Seek out the XP optimization sites: I had good luck optimizing mine for Cubase based on the instructions on the Bluelife Audio Zone, and other links have been posted here. It's worth the effort.
 
Overall, XP is the most reliable and stable OS Microsoft has ever released. But there are going to be some installs that go horribly wrong with any OS. I havent had one yet, at least not one that a bios update hasnt fixed(always update to the latest bios before installing XP)., but its not perfect and we cant expect it to be with the huge variance in hardware it is installed on. Looks like you just got to be one of the unlucky ones.
 
Hey skippy, long time no see.

Already been through all the classic view crap. Didn't take long to have it "looking" just like 2K. Drivers are of course all up to date. So, I pretty much covered all the bases.

This is my third experience trying to "fix" an XP box, and since this has "Pro" installed, I figured I wouldn't run into the same problems with applications having unexplained stalls, and of course weird freezes that come and go.

Anyway. The comments about XP being "more stable" and "better" than 2000, and saying that is like saying that first edition is better than second edition of 98. That is not even a good comparison at all really, because XP isn't supposed to be the "second edition" of 2000. The interface between the 98 versions wasn't changed in any significant way. XP though has a lot of different stuff going on under the hood compared to 2000 that can lead to a lot of problems.

Oh Polaris, I get PAID to work on computers friend. :D Carefully remove your head from up YOUR ass and see if maybe you can maybe try in the future to act like a human being on this bbs. Following me around talking shit about my competence because you don't dig what I posted in another thread is not going to win you popularity, which you probably could care less about, but, it can also earn you surprises that I have arranged for others in that past. No threats here, just telling you that you may want to think twice before fucking with me in the way you are.

Ed
 
Don't know about XP, and not much that is going to make me use it. But since I got NT3.51 I stayed with the NT/2K series. They are rock solid, proven. This machine has had 1 crash and that was the HD, not the OS.

Up to microshaft, the masters of the undocumented features that go belly up!

Sorry, had to say it.
 
suggestion

well..first of all I get PAID to work on computers as well but that doesn't prove anything. Ask anyone who's had to deal with technical support on any issue and there are some idiots out there who's daddy works for the company or the boss thinks they're pretty or goes to church with them or something.

did you make sure your hardware is compatible with XP? there is a list on microsofts website..also the frequent blue screens are commonly a cause of cheap/defective memory.

hopefully you won't "make arrangements" to have me whacked or whatever for the comments above. I would hate to fall victim to a terrorist mentality.

dlv
 
sonusman said:


Oh Polaris, I get PAID to work on computers friend. :D Carefully remove your head from up YOUR ass and see if maybe you can maybe try in the future to act like a human being on this bbs. Following me around talking shit about my competence because you don't dig what I posted in another thread is not going to win you popularity, which you probably could care less about, but, it can also earn you surprises that I have arranged for others in that past. No threats here, just telling you that you may want to think twice before fucking with me in the way you are.

Ed
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Mature answer my friend. I'm sure the mods would love to see you threatening people. What exactly would you call "making arrangements"?

Perhaps you should try acting like a human being.

This isn't a popularity contest. Go ahead and make arrangements, I could care less.
 
Track Rat said:
Ed is a "mod".
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You can't be serious. That's the last I'll be at this board then. With Moderators like that, there's no use coming here. What a joke.

Ed, congratulations, you have free reign now. Adios!
 
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i thought a moderator was someone who kept the peace on a bbs..if polaris is being a jerk then ban him or whatever, but making threats like saying you can make arrangements for them is the opposite of what a moderator should be. and saying "no threats" doesn't make it not a threat.

if i strangely disappear tell my mom, my wife and my 2 cats i love them :)

dlv

p.s. - infinity, no paybacks. you fate is sealed!
 
"Ed is a "mod". "

Funny. I always thought he was a "rocker".
 
Perhaps you would be more comfortable with a lesser os, sir...
 
Buffalo Bob said:
"Ed is a "mod". "

Funny. I always thought he was a "rocker".
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Quadraphenia is one of my all time favs.:D BellBoy!
 
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