noise in my vocal track,am i doing it wrong with ART? please help

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i record vocal by shure SM58 into ARTtube MP
it has 3buttons,marked:gain,phantom power and phase reversal
i don't have any idea about all these
but i guess i have to push gain and phantom,right?
this is led into GINA20audiocard
with this acceptable system it shouldn't have noise,right?
but it did,i guess theART pick it up along with vocal
so when i compress the track,it becomes more audible
anyone with this setup?
please suggest me how to getrid of it
Or maybe it's thePC that causes it?
i posted the clip with it here
please rightclick and save or dl with s/w like reget
just click on the link won't doit for geocities stuff

the noise is coming in with vocal
please help me fix it

thnx in advance
istyle
 
I'm trying to find out about how to record vocals better myself, if only recording and engineering school were more available and affordable.

But if ya gain is too high when recording it can be noisy or distorted. look up the phaes reversal so you can get a better idea of it there is a glossary on this site. phantom power is only needed for mics that dont have their own.

best wishes in your research share some info when you get some...

PUFF *The Magic*
 
If you are using a Shure SM-58, you do not need phantom power.

P.s. The link you posted does not work.


Fangar
 
Hmmm...the combination of the 58 and the MP aren't particularly noisey, but they aren't particularly clean, either. And compression, by its nature, will bring up the noise floor of the track you are compressing.

If you are using the same mic and preamp for all of your tracks, your also getting a build up of the same noise. Nothing to do about it but record your tracks as hot as you can while minimizing noise at every stage of the signal chain.

(Forgive me if you already know some or all of what follows: )

Lets set this thing up. This is how I check my system for noise.

Plug the mic in and start singing.

Start turning up the input knob and watch the leds. On the MP the gain button only needs to be used if you have to turn your input knob past, say, 2 o'clock to get a decent input level. If you have the input turned up that far and the "Cln" led still isn't giving you much action, turn the input knob back down, hit the +20dB Gain button and start turning it up again.

Turn it up until the "Cln" led at least stays on- or moves a little into the "warm" section if you like. Don't let it light the "Clp" led even during the loudest parts of your song.

Ditto on not needing the Phantom button- that's for condensor mics. Your 58 is a dynamic mic. Leave it off. (button out)

Then hit the phase switch a few times. Usually one way sounds slightly better than the other- I'm not sure why.

Then check in with your recording program and see what level is coming into your Gina. Turn the output knob of the MP up until your input meter almost but doesn't quite hit 0dB during your loudest parts. If you have to turn the output knob on the MP much past 3 o'clock that may be where your noise is coming from.

Record a test track. Listen carefully for noise, especially in the spaces between words. Once you know what the noise sounds like, leave your mic on the stand where it is leave all your setting the same, close all your doors, tell everyone in the house to be queit, turn off your monitors and put on the headphones.

Turn them up LOUD. Leave the mic on as if you were going to be singing into it but don't touch it or go near it. The feedback from the headphones will blow your head off. Listen for that noise. It just might turn out to be your computer humming or the sound of the fridge vibrating through the floorboards. If so, throw all your blankets over the computer and unplug the fridge.

Next try turning the input knob down a little and the ouput knob up a little. If that doesn't change the noise, try turning the input up and the output down. Find out where that noise is coming from. Fiddle with the knobs just a little to see if you can get it to go down a bit. Don't move them much or your levels for recording will be too far off. Also, if your soundcard has an input stage do the same test.

OK. Turn the headphones back down to a reasonable level and record another test track and see if it made any difference. If your levels are different for the two tracks, be sure to use your mixer to make them the same level for fair comparison.

Then, the most important steps of all:

Take the blankets off your computer before it melts and plug your fridge back in before your milk goes bad. :)

Other ideas for reducing noice bleeding in through the mic:

Your 58 does a great job of ignoring whatever is behind it. Make sure it is pointing exactly away from the noisiest thing in the room.

Try moving the mic around the room to see if you can get a cleaner sound.

Good luck,
Chris
 
I want to record great vocals

I have a Marshall Condensor and the ART Tube MP studio (pre amp) what should i do?

I have:
Fostex VM200=mixer
Fostex VR800=HD recorder
and last but of course not least I got my G4/Digi 001/ProTools LE (for Christmas) :D

Does any have advice I have to record some singers and rappers singers
 
What am I doing still up?

PTM

Same as I wrote above, actually, but you have to fiddle with the input stages of your mixer, too. And your Marshall will

a) need the phantom power switched on

b) pick up a lot more noise from your environment

c) be more sensitive to things like the vibrations from the fridge or overly enthusiastic singers moving around while recording.

Do you have a shock mount for it?

For recording rappers and singers you may want to look into a compressor, though the MP seems to do a little compression of its own. You'll probably get better quality at first if you can lightly compress the vocals on the way into the computer. You can do without, but its easier that way at first. If you can't get one, remind your singers to avoid changing their volume a lot. Or record loud and soft parts seperately and reset levels (like I wrote above) each time.

Also a pop filter- the condensor is a lot more sensative to plosives ("P"- sounds that move a lot of air all of a sudden.) That will probably be an issue with the rap vox.

Remind your singers that they are recording and not on stage. They shouldn't be moving around much at all. Tell them not to move their feet. Your mic will pick up foot movements through the floor and stand- especially if you don't have a shock mount.

Their mouths should be around 6-8 inches from the mic- maybe back off a little when they sing a louder part. Set the pop filter about that far from the mic and let the singer put their face right up to it- as long as it is mounted on a different stand than the mic. If the filter has to be mounted on the same stand as the mic tell them NOT to touch it. Ever.

I don't know much about the rest of your gear so I can't add to much more. Just spend some time with your headphones crancked and a live mic plugged in. Fiddle with stuff to find out where the noise is coming from.

G'night,
Chris
 
thnx Chris for great instruction
i think i got a clue now when you stated that i shouldn't move the knob past3
when i used it ,i assumed i should move it to 8-9!!!! like faders which are always up to 7
very foolish i was
thnx again
istyle
www.mp3.com/istyle
 
Ok.........

I do not have a compressor.
But they do get a lil busy as well as close to the mic. The mic is on a stand mounted to the ceiling( is that a bad thing?) it stay out the way the stand took up room.
here's the site for my mic http://www.mxlmics.com/
i do have a shock mount. it hangs with the diaphram end pointing down.
i'll have a booth soon will that eliminate some or all problems?
 
Stand mounted on ceiling is a great thing! Keeps your active singer's feet from tapping the floor next to the stand. Unless you have upstairs neighbors that practice tap dancing? :eek:

Without the compressor, coach your singers into moving further from the mic when they get loud.

Also, listen to them perform the song a couple times and take notes on when they get soft and loud. Then just ride the output gain of your MP to adjust for them. Thats kind of what a compressor does any way, they just do it while you have a cigarette and don't mess up when the singer changes quicker than you expected. ;)
 
ok here's the result after i tried your instruction Chris
i found that my MP light will be lit fully only ,no indication whether the signal is soft or strong and the power socket isn't in good condition,if it's loose the light go out,no operations
so i really don't know whether my singing is too loud or not
but i try set input at 2 also the output
Another problem rises,the gina has another input which max at 26
Should i leave it here?
my recording room is upstair,the only electric unit sharing same wallwart is electric fan,Does it count?
my refridge is downstair,should i unplug it?
thnx in advance
istyle
 
Chris

How much does a decent compressor run?
How do i hook it up and use it?
And do I need it?
I'm really concerned about getting these vocals tight. I plan on putting out some indie stuff this year...
so you can undestand. anyways if I have a few spare bucks should I?
what are some recomended brands and models?
PUFF *The Magic*

PS. did you check out that marshall mic site? mines is the MXL2001 got it for $200
 
Hey again,

istyle: I'd only unplug the fridge if you can hear it running when you listen to the open mic through headphones that are turned way up. If I understand your post correctly, I must have come across as if I was talking about electrical buzz coming from the electrical system in the house. I'm not- just plain old sound getting into the mic. If the fridge is downstairs you are probably fine.

The idea is to first make sure that you aren't picking up the whirring noise of your computer fan. Then you play with the input and ouput knobs (with headphones on) to see where they start to get noisey. Turn them up until they start to hiss and remember where that spot it. Don't turn it up past that spot when you go to set levels and record.

And just to make sure- when I said 2 and 3 I was talking 2 and 3 oclock, where the hour hand would be on a clock - not 2 or 3 like you'd see on a guitar amp knob.

I tell ya, it took me a few years to learn that I needed to listen for noise though an open mic.

About your Gina: I dunno- neverused one. My guess is that you might try singing into your mic with in and out knobs both set as I described yesterday and then start with your gina all the way down. Slowly bring it up until the meters in your recording program show your loudest vocals peaking just under the top of the meter (or 0dB).

PuffTM: You will eventually want to get a compressor most likely, but my rule of thumb is to make sure that I know all about the last piece of gear I bought before I get another one. With that new ProTools setup you've got a heap of power to learn how to use. I think it has software compressors that should do you just fine.

I'm not too familiar with MXL mics other than what I've heard about them over in the microphone forum.

Good luck getting your music out this year! I set out to finish a CD by Christmas- 3 years ago. Its close to getting to a point where its almost done now...and I've enjoyed it every step of the long way.

Take care,
Chris
 
thnx Chris
can you please dl this small clip and find out what kinda noise?
i dunno how to describe it

please rightclick and save
thnx in advance
 
I have ART Tube and AT2020 and I got no noise. Are you sure your cables are ok? Maybe you need to change those
 
I have ART Tube and AT2020 and I got no noise. Are you sure your cables are ok? Maybe you need to change those

this thread is 7 (almost 8) years old.....






just throwin that out there...
 
I would recommend going ten years into the future to see if this has been sorted out :)
 
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