no need for external mixer?

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just got n-track....am i right in thinking that i don't need a mic pre amp or external mixer? i've had cooledit 2k for a while now and when i record from that program i get a slight distortion. i read that this is 'cause of the weak input signal and one should get a pre amp or mixer. my playbacks in n-track seem to be clearer. so right now i'm not sure if it's n-tracks mixer or i'm now putting the mic at a better distance from the guitar amp. also, how do you configure real time destruction....ah, how can i delete a track for keeps the first time without it being saved?
 
Ok, most of your question has nothing to do with n-Track. n-Track, like any audio recording application, just grabs whatever is available from your soundcard. (of course what the software does with this signal is important, but you will notice no difference between CEP and n-Track)

You don't need an external mixer, but you really do need an external mic pre if you want an even remote chance of getting something that sounds good.

The proper setup is:

Microphone->Mic Preamp->Soundcard LINE IN

Do not use the microphone input on your soundcard. The microphone input is designed specifically for use with cheap computer microphones. If you're using a computer microphone, then you have one more problem to deal with.

A decent mic preamp can be had for less than 100 bucks. Check out the ART Tube MP, a basic single channel tube micrphone preamp with phanotom power and a phase switch. You can order one from http://www.8thstreet.com for I believe $99, free shipping.

What kind of mic are you trying to use?

Also, make sure that you're not clipping the input signal at all. When recording digitally you absolutely CANNOT go over 0db, because nothing exists up there. So adjust accordingly...keep your signal somewhere in the "yellow". BTW, yellow is arbitrary, and the VU meters in various applications will work differently...your ears must train your eyes.

Slackmaster 2000
 
more money!

thanx. this is what i gathered. i did'nt think a mic pre-amp would be so expensive (i know mixers are!). not to sure about you're last paragraph...are you saying just don't have the recording knobs at full or off? also, was wondering if there was a set standard distance between mic & amp...or is it different for everyone everywhere? or maybe there's a mic range/amp volume ratio? as a rule, for recording in a room in a house is it best to keep the amp somewhat low then tweak it up with the software options? with cooledit i can make whisper sound like a f#!%! spitting dragon. thanx
 
1) The ART Tube MP is dog cheap as far as preamps go. Really, you can spend hundreds to thousands of dollars per channel for professional preamps.

2) What I meant by that last paragraph was to make sure that you're not going to clip your input. What I do is leave the line-in volume in the windows recording control (the mixer panel) at about 75% and just leave it there. Then I control the amount of signal I send to the soundcard, making sure that the Recording VU meter in n-Track NEVER clips. A digital signal doesn't clip like an analog signal. A digital clip results in the complete flattening of the signal for the duration of the clip...and is VERY hard on the ears.

3) Entire books can be written on good microphone placement, and none of them will answer your specific question. You have to put the mic where it sounds best. That's all there is to it :) A good "trick" is to use your ear as a microphone. Move your head around to determine where the sound is best.

Typically if you're using a dymanic mic like an SM57 in front of your amp, you'll use a technic called "close micing".....which basically means that you get the mic right up close to the amp (2-8"). Pointing the mic at the center of the speaker cone will result in a bassy sound...and moving it out to the edge of the cone will result in a less boomy, thinner sound. The closer the mic the more edgy the sound...the farther the mic the more ambient and natural the sound. Then the mic angle is import...cripes!

Some people like to just drap the mic over the amp so it dangles down in front of the speaker. You'll just have to experiment...there's no magic ratio here.

4) Volume...you should play at the volume where the sound you're getting is the best. You can turn the volume of a track up after it's been recorded and make it loud...but you're losing fidelity.

a) There's something called the Signal to Noise Ratio. The S/N ratio describes the amount of signal vs. the amount of noise in your audio. When you record a low signal, your singal to noise ratio is very small, meaning that there is a lot of noise, and you'll probably hear it. Now when you go into Cool Edit and crank that shit up, you're also increasing the noise level! In fact, the S/N ratio will decrease further and the noise will appear to be worse. However if you record at high levels to begin with, the signal (the good stuff) will greatly outweigh the noise, meaning that will hear less, if any, noise. Plus, you won't have to turn it up much after the fact.

b) In digital terms, you also lose an entire bit of headroom every -6db. So if you record and your peak level is at -13db, you're squashing your signal into 14 bits. This concept is relatively similar to S/N ratio except that there is no noise in a digital signal (NOTE, however, that you will still have to contend with noise, since most of this process is analog!).

Blah! The typical rule of thumb is to record with a peak level above -6db and less than 0db. Basically, shoot for the "yellow" on most VU meters...and never hit the red.

You should do some searching on the BBS here. Check the microphone, newbie, and recording techniques forums.

Good luck.

Slackmaster 2000
 
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