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M.Brane
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You guys have a lot to learn about note choice, pitch, tone, and groove.
Sorry to be so blunt, but your songs have a garage band sameness to 'em that's not pleasant.
However, I hear some potential in there. Don't give up.
How often do you play live?
Sorry to be so blunt, but your songs have a garage band sameness to 'em that's not pleasant.
However, I hear some potential in there. Don't give up.
How often do you play live?
Toki987
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That tune drift away is pretty good to me. I like the laid back mode. The bass sounds pretty good but has a few attack transients in it occasionaly that change the tone. Id play it a little more consistent, Drummer is happening. The guitar is fat. Singing is much improved from earlier piece I heard from you guys. Like Brane said, it does have feel like you could string the tunes back to back and still have sorta the same vibe thru them all . Some variations on tone and groove would make for more interesting listen.
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we dont play live much. not much to do where we live. we got a few shows coming up tho. im getting a whole new drumset, and our guitar player is getting a new setup as well and then were gonna try and get some shows in louisville kentucky.
i know we're not perfect, and i know we need improvements, that's part of the game.
You guys have a lot to learn about note choice, pitch, tone, and groove.
what is it exactly that we need to learn? what are we doing wrong?
i think we do have a varied sound. "the light" and "empty nest" are far from the same vibe i think, but maybe it's just me.
we like constructive criticism as long as your not blatently hateful about it.
i know we're not perfect, and i know we need improvements, that's part of the game.
You guys have a lot to learn about note choice, pitch, tone, and groove.
what is it exactly that we need to learn? what are we doing wrong?
i think we do have a varied sound. "the light" and "empty nest" are far from the same vibe i think, but maybe it's just me.
we like constructive criticism as long as your not blatently hateful about it.
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
hmmmm........well they don't sound that bad to me.
The singer does wander around the pitch quite a bit and goes flat frequently but that's something that singing more will take care of and it's not really pronounced.
As for the sameness of the tunes.....I think that comes from the drums. While it is true that the chords and structures and arrangements are not the same.....the drum's feeling is. You could adjust the tempo and use the drums from any of these songs in any of the others. Some of that is the nature of this music but there definitely is a 'sameness' to the drum parts and that's what gives the songs such a strong resemblance to each other.
Not a bad starting point at all.......keep posting stuff.
The singer does wander around the pitch quite a bit and goes flat frequently but that's something that singing more will take care of and it's not really pronounced.
As for the sameness of the tunes.....I think that comes from the drums. While it is true that the chords and structures and arrangements are not the same.....the drum's feeling is. You could adjust the tempo and use the drums from any of these songs in any of the others. Some of that is the nature of this music but there definitely is a 'sameness' to the drum parts and that's what gives the songs such a strong resemblance to each other.
Not a bad starting point at all.......keep posting stuff.
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M.Brane
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transpire said:
Not trying to be hateful at all, just being honest.
As a lifelong fan of heavy music, and a former semi-pro musician I believe the best thing for you guys to do is get out there and play in front of people. Don't expect great things to happen right away, but keep at it and learn what works and what doesn't. Feed off the energy of the crowd, and if you have no crowd (it will happen) treat the gig like a public rehearsal. That means have fun anyway. If the band is not having a good time, the crowd won't either. It's a collective thing.
Also, understand the difference between rehearsal, and practice. Practice is what you do at home by yourself.
This will be a make-or-break period for the band. Some of you might decide this isn't what you want to do. That's OK. Better to get that out of the way now than later.
Playing live will also improve your skills faster because you're under pressure to get it right the first time. You also learn how to cover your mistakes.
There's another thing that will happen to you, and it will be scary at first. You will get used to it though, and grow to crave it. I call it being "in the zone". It's basically when you develop an almost telepathic link between the players. You are very aware of what your doing, what you could do, and what you will do.
It's the most amazing feeling in the world. Don't miss it.
Sorry I can't give you any specifics as to what note choice, tone, or groove to use, but that's something you'll have discover for yourselves. It will be your style. Playing live will give you these things.
Pitch can be learned as well, but unfortunately I don't know of any specific methods because I never had a problem with pitch. Maybe someone else can chime in here with a suggestion.
Hope this helps!
groucho
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Listening to "end of times":
Ouch, the singer is really out of tune in several places.
At 1:29 and 2:43 I'd like to hear the music really start to kick the singer in the ass a little more. I think you need a swell and some really heavy-ass guitar/drum action there. I think you gotta make the most of what little dynamic fluctuation is occuring here.
I listened a couple times and really the only thing that leaps out at me as being glaringly wrong is the singer. It's pretty painful at times. However, when he's on key, he has a fairly pleasing-sounding voice, so this might be a candidate for autotune (did I actually just say that? Is hell freezing over as we speak?).
Chris
Ouch, the singer is really out of tune in several places.
At 1:29 and 2:43 I'd like to hear the music really start to kick the singer in the ass a little more. I think you need a swell and some really heavy-ass guitar/drum action there. I think you gotta make the most of what little dynamic fluctuation is occuring here.
I listened a couple times and really the only thing that leaps out at me as being glaringly wrong is the singer. It's pretty painful at times. However, when he's on key, he has a fairly pleasing-sounding voice, so this might be a candidate for autotune (did I actually just say that? Is hell freezing over as we speak?).
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paul (tubedude) tried autotune and said it made a robot sound. we have the songs archived and once he's sung more, and gotten a better voice, hes gonna go back and re-do them i think.
i know he gets out of tune some, but when he's on it, i think he's really on it. he's gotta learn how to keep it that way. btw, he's only been singing less than a year.
i'm the drummer, so what are some things i can do to make it not all sound the same?
i know he gets out of tune some, but when he's on it, i think he's really on it. he's gotta learn how to keep it that way. btw, he's only been singing less than a year.
i'm the drummer, so what are some things i can do to make it not all sound the same?
mixmkr
we don't need rest!!
transpire said:
lessons and listen to a lot of other music.
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transpire
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lessons are coming, but i listen to just about all genres of music.
mixmkr
we don't need rest!!
transpire said:
there ya go.. Do you ever try practicing any other styles in your playing too...whether or not that's what you perform/record?
oh...and when listening to the other genres, especially if it's in other threads in the clinic here from the people that are replying to your threads, you might also take the time to type a couple words to comment on their tunes also. ...even if it's a "hatefull opinion!!"
thanks in advance
groovejunkie
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autotune is just a correction tool for LITTLE mistakes, and that's where it works without giving the audience that fake feeling; that means the vocal should be already recorded almost perfect before using it (but it's better to make so much takes that you don't need it)transpire said:
I think the instrumentals are played tight, even if it sounds very similar; but the singer must learn a lot! he does not just have pitch problems, but has also a small range.transpire [/i]i know he gets out of tune some said:
But he could fix that making exercises, like singing scales while one of you guys is plaing the same on the guit or piano and recording the stuff; the same could be done with the voc melodies of your songs --- that's a good method to compare, and to find out where the problems are.
a good instrumentalist is able to play a variety of styles and genres, even if he likes to play just one; but then he can take from everything that what HE LIKES most, and putting them together he makes something new and original -- so go there and learn some different patterns - dunno, reggae, salsa, pop..? whatever you like!transpire said:
but whatever you guys do, keep on rockin!
harry
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transpire
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we WILL keep on rocking. been taking peoples suggestions and writing new songs. we now have another guitar player to help fill out the sound, makes everything more "rounded" i guess you could say.