drstawl
Banned
A new stawl tune:
LemonTree
Suck 'em and see!
outstanding!
I'm playing this next time I'm on mushrooms. I fully expect something bad to happen to me for listening to this straight.
Honestly, I rate this right up there with the bonzo doohdah dog band.
I'm playing this next time I'm on mushrooms. I fully expect something bad to happen to me for listening to this straight.
Honestly, I rate this right up there with the bonzo doohdah dog band.
gecko zzed
Grumpy Mod
I like complexity and unexpected things, and the piece is oveflowing with them. The musical ideas are great. The performance is a bit hazardous, and the midi sounds hint at what it could sound like. There are hints of Keith Emerson and Aaron Copeland in there. I enjoyed listening to it!
nave
Cave Relic
This is a great one for the Electro-gamelan archives. Some of those changes are teh win.
I sense an evolution in your work since the disc I own.
I sense an evolution in your work since the disc I own.
jeffmaher
New member
The performance is a bit hazardous,
More than a bit. It lacks almost any coherent organization or direction at all.
It sounds like piano roll hunt and peck, or it's so far advanced, I can't understand it. You have no concept...or you're a genius, like Jackson Pollard.
I guess the recorded sounds are OK....but I can't get past the lack of 'handles' on the composition....my brain can't pick it up.
I can hear the Aaron Copeland-esqueness in it....pizz strings, etc. But there's no big picture. It's a paragraph written in random words, to me. No themes; no progressions...just occasional tonality shifts. Rythms and other punctuation that don't play together, or bounce in some kind of groove.
Sorry.....I just wicked don't get it at all.
More than a bit. It lacks almost any coherent organization or direction at all.
It sounds like piano roll hunt and peck, or it's so far advanced, I can't understand it. You have no concept...or you're a genius, like Jackson Pollard.
I guess the recorded sounds are OK....but I can't get past the lack of 'handles' on the composition....my brain can't pick it up.
I can hear the Aaron Copeland-esqueness in it....pizz strings, etc. But there's no big picture. It's a paragraph written in random words, to me. No themes; no progressions...just occasional tonality shifts. Rythms and other punctuation that don't play together, or bounce in some kind of groove.
Sorry.....I just wicked don't get it at all.
kcearl
I see deaf people
'fraid Im with Jeff...I love hearing what posters in the cave actually record but I don't get this at all??
I get that its well recorded..and mixed...but nothing else
I get that its well recorded..and mixed...but nothing else
G
Greg_L
Banned
There's nothing to get. It's just noise from the head of a dumpster diving lunatic.
K
ksounds
Active member
...kind of a stream of conciseness. I like it too. Not something I would listen very often though, but in the right context it could be cool. I think some visual reinforcement is where this kind of thing would benefit.
TeyshaBlue
It's the smell..
I had to listen to it a couple of times to get an idea of what I was hearing.
The Copeland references are pretty vivid...as are the Stravinski....echoes of "Ebony Concerto" reflected in that furious ostinato that pervades most of the movements....and they clearly are movements.
It takes a bit of work to listen to, and that ain't a bad thing.
I did find the mix very heavy in the lower-mids. I cut the 125hz - 250hz region about 3 db and the mix seemed to clarify quite a bit.
I dig it.
The Copeland references are pretty vivid...as are the Stravinski....echoes of "Ebony Concerto" reflected in that furious ostinato that pervades most of the movements....and they clearly are movements.
It takes a bit of work to listen to, and that ain't a bad thing.
I did find the mix very heavy in the lower-mids. I cut the 125hz - 250hz region about 3 db and the mix seemed to clarify quite a bit.
I dig it.
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C
cantthinkofname
Active member
i liked it very cool!
drstawl
Banned
I wonder how you came to that conclusion after hearing a 56Kbps mp3 of the tune.
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
he has it at 56kps so people won't steal his music and sell it without paying him. So it's deliberately low quality.I wonder how you came to that conclusion after hearing a 56Kbps mp3 of the tune.
kcearl
I see deaf people
I wonder how you came to that conclusion after hearing a 56Kbps mp3 of the tune.
by that I mean it doesn't peak at any point on my system, the bass isnt booming at any point, I cant hear fingers, or coughs, or baby's wailing...what would you think I would mean??
change it to well mixed if it makes a difference, I still cant follow anything in it, I just wanted to say something positive...
Atom Bomb
Wtf is a PRS
Mario Acid Party 8. For wii.
All that comes to mind.
All that comes to mind.
Supercreep
Lizard People
......................it's audible.
LemonTree
Suck 'em and see!
drstawl
Banned
Thanks to all who listened, especially those for whom this is not their cup of tea.
"Hazardous Performance" sounds really cool.
I'm not sure what this conjures in your mind, but I like the tag.
"Hazardous Performance" sounds really cool.
I'm not sure what this conjures in your mind, but I like the tag.
drstawl
Banned
Well- there's that.
And the fact that the actual recording (stereo 24/96) only serves to disclose just how Hi-Fi the Sound Canvas isn't.
jeffmaher
New member
My big brother is a Stravinsky fan...introduced me to him when I was a mere prat...and he's been writing MIDI symphonies in the same stain as you write for 20 years. I have a pile of his CD's that I never listen to. His composition technique, I'm surmising, is a lot like yours...the piano-roll hunt-and-peck. The recordings are of fantastic quality, like yours, but the music is inaccessible.
Stravinsky has touches of schitzophrenia, but there is a whole whoppiing dose of thematic developement that it works upon. It's like both you and my brother fill a plate with whipped cream and call it a pumpkin pie.
Music that is worthwhile is something that people hear, and can carry in their 'mental' pocket...like coin of value. The memory of the music...or some parts of it, a melody, a progression, a tweaking lyric...are the coin. Having obtained it, it pleases the hearer. Stravinsky has themes. I remember them. His music is organized around central thread and movement; repitition and variation on those themes....with a smacking dose of hostile tonality. The texture varies, from quiet to pff; from a race to a contemplative standing gaze...he's driving a dance, remember. Can you imagine a ballet company creating choriography for your piece?
I think the problem for you and my brother [who is a great painter, sculpter, and a doctor, to boot...he's a lot smarter than I...] share, is that you let the medium drive the 'composition'...instead of using the medium, and its technology, assist in rendering an idea that crystalizes in your minds:
The brain conjures organized, simplified, inherently pleasant and worthwhile musical ideas. Those have inherent value, and are inherently valuable currency, when made real, and shared. The coin is cast in your head, and gains unearned interest for listeners. These are the ideas that should be rendered in the piano roll FIRST; a long train of them, FIRST, to fill out the run-time of your work. A single melodic idea that can stand on its own for a few minutes....that is something to hang more note sand rythms upon...in a supporting role. It is a process that will bring organization, texture, dynamics...all the things hearers naturally crave and want to hear again...like Igor's stuff....because there is a road to travel as you compose upon that thread.....the direction is set...you can think ahead, and imagine where it goes...choose a 'landscape' for the journey. The road is set...you're on it: all you have to decide is whether it's McDonald's or Wendy's for a section at a time.
All the good things your composition lacks will become manifest if you approach things this way...listen to the musical ideas in your head....get a google map and driving directions before you travel. Honest...your posted composition is simply lost in the woods.
You record well, no doubt. And you have valuable music to share, if you can break the habit of the process that you've developed for composing: which, I assume, is starting at the beginning with a blank piano roll, and making and erasing dots...composing a few inches at a time....creating moments that please you...but have no relation to the last five inches; no relation to the next five inches....
The result is chaos. It has little value. And you cheat yourself: any composer who works that hard is lying if he says he doesn't care that others share a passion for hearing it.
I want you to know I'm not being dismissive of your work and effort. I hope to cause you to think of ways to compose a profounder product: I, too, want to listen, and get the coin. Free money and pleasure. I have a selfish motive. It's all about me. :^)
ps...all good composition...from Gerg L's punk things, to Bach...have things in-common. And to be sure, Gerg's compositions have a lot more in common with Stravinsky than you posted music does.
Your piece is, to me, the equivalent of dropping a grand piano from a tall building, recording it in slow-mo, and calling it art. Some people think that was art.
pps...
And, speaking of Stravinsky: IIRC, he was comissioned to conjure symphonies to drive already conceived movement and story. And he, no doubt, imagined the movements to various parts of the dance...saw the cute ballerinas in tutus bouncing around in his head. There was a technique that produced profound music! Point and click on piano roll is like sitting at a typewriter, banging keys to make nonsense words, and filling pages. No one will read it...there's no story.
Stravinsky has touches of schitzophrenia, but there is a whole whoppiing dose of thematic developement that it works upon. It's like both you and my brother fill a plate with whipped cream and call it a pumpkin pie.
Music that is worthwhile is something that people hear, and can carry in their 'mental' pocket...like coin of value. The memory of the music...or some parts of it, a melody, a progression, a tweaking lyric...are the coin. Having obtained it, it pleases the hearer. Stravinsky has themes. I remember them. His music is organized around central thread and movement; repitition and variation on those themes....with a smacking dose of hostile tonality. The texture varies, from quiet to pff; from a race to a contemplative standing gaze...he's driving a dance, remember. Can you imagine a ballet company creating choriography for your piece?
I think the problem for you and my brother [who is a great painter, sculpter, and a doctor, to boot...he's a lot smarter than I...] share, is that you let the medium drive the 'composition'...instead of using the medium, and its technology, assist in rendering an idea that crystalizes in your minds:
The brain conjures organized, simplified, inherently pleasant and worthwhile musical ideas. Those have inherent value, and are inherently valuable currency, when made real, and shared. The coin is cast in your head, and gains unearned interest for listeners. These are the ideas that should be rendered in the piano roll FIRST; a long train of them, FIRST, to fill out the run-time of your work. A single melodic idea that can stand on its own for a few minutes....that is something to hang more note sand rythms upon...in a supporting role. It is a process that will bring organization, texture, dynamics...all the things hearers naturally crave and want to hear again...like Igor's stuff....because there is a road to travel as you compose upon that thread.....the direction is set...you can think ahead, and imagine where it goes...choose a 'landscape' for the journey. The road is set...you're on it: all you have to decide is whether it's McDonald's or Wendy's for a section at a time.
All the good things your composition lacks will become manifest if you approach things this way...listen to the musical ideas in your head....get a google map and driving directions before you travel. Honest...your posted composition is simply lost in the woods.
You record well, no doubt. And you have valuable music to share, if you can break the habit of the process that you've developed for composing: which, I assume, is starting at the beginning with a blank piano roll, and making and erasing dots...composing a few inches at a time....creating moments that please you...but have no relation to the last five inches; no relation to the next five inches....
The result is chaos. It has little value. And you cheat yourself: any composer who works that hard is lying if he says he doesn't care that others share a passion for hearing it.
I want you to know I'm not being dismissive of your work and effort. I hope to cause you to think of ways to compose a profounder product: I, too, want to listen, and get the coin. Free money and pleasure. I have a selfish motive. It's all about me. :^)
ps...all good composition...from Gerg L's punk things, to Bach...have things in-common. And to be sure, Gerg's compositions have a lot more in common with Stravinsky than you posted music does.
Your piece is, to me, the equivalent of dropping a grand piano from a tall building, recording it in slow-mo, and calling it art. Some people think that was art.
pps...
And, speaking of Stravinsky: IIRC, he was comissioned to conjure symphonies to drive already conceived movement and story. And he, no doubt, imagined the movements to various parts of the dance...saw the cute ballerinas in tutus bouncing around in his head. There was a technique that produced profound music! Point and click on piano roll is like sitting at a typewriter, banging keys to make nonsense words, and filling pages. No one will read it...there's no story.
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Nakatira
That Norwegian Bastard
Wow, This is some crazy stuff.
its really out there
This is really cool music
good on you stawl
its really out there
This is really cool music
good on you stawl