New Project, want some mix advice, hep me make this sucker huge...

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Part of that hole you might be hearing is those 7 string guitars, those things sound wild. I'll try all this stuff and see if I can post another mix.
I was listening to it versus some other stuff, and the other stuff, the sounds seemed thinner, but more sparkly, the thinness giving space for other instruments. I think I might go through each and every track and shave off stuff that doesnt sound too bad to shave off, and see what happens to the space, just for the hell of it.
I kinda like the guitar sound though. :(
 
Sluice- you use Sonar dontcha? Wanna take a stab at a bundle file? :)
 
damn 7 strings lol

i knew it man, time i heard it, i freaking knew it lol. How old are these guys? just curious
 
I love the way the vocals are sitting in the mix. They sound perfect on this end listening on headphones.

You've already got a ton of other feedback...but I kind of agree with Chris that it could use a small boost in the highs, or lowering the lows just a tad.

Otherwise, very good mix, well tracked, and I think what you are charging is fine...could even bump it up to $13 an hour. This is some quality work!

:D
 
They are about 17-18 or so.

I started messing with this song again, hopefully I wont make it worse. :)

I'll post it when I get it "better". Might see if they will let me grab a few re-tracks on guitars.
 
tubedude said:
Sluice- you use Sonar dontcha? Wanna take a stab at a bundle file? :)
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Actually Paul, I'd love to, but not because I don't think you can do it or anything. Hell, I don't even know if I could pull it off. But it would be fun for me. I don't get to work much with others' stuff, so the experience would be extremely good for me. Let me know if you're serious, though PM's if you'd like. Unless you were just threatening me! LOL.

Regarding the guitar sound, like I said maybe it's something in the way the hi hats, etc are sitting that are detracting from it. I'm not questioning your tastes or anything...you were part of my motivation to change my own sound. :)
 
I am quite serious, I would be interested to see what a whole new perspective brought to it. I can make a bundle file and send it priority and you can prob ahve it in two days.
I'm gonna see if they want to retrack or add a track or two of guitars to it, with a little more natural speaker high end and some mids dialed in, 1st.
I'll do it though. When you are done, you can make a bundle file just like it is and send it back to me, and I can open it and see exactly what all you did to it. Cool eh?

Oh, check out my new web site, its just the rough draft, everything will change next week including the "logo", its just to get me going. www.demokingproductions.com
 
Cool site Paul, or at least a good start to one. Looks like you're going for it. I applaud your ambition!

As for the bundle, yeah sure man. That's what I was thinking too, I'll send it back as a bundle so you can see exactly what I did- for better or worse. This could be really fun. Keep me posted.
 
Boy this sounds a lot like Mudvayne. Pick up LD50 or the End of All things to Come to hear (what I think) is well mixed nu-metal. Also maybe check out something from Spineshank.

This sounds pretty good though. The distorted vocals bugs me because it's panned out of center. Also maybe back it off a little, in parts it's a little too loud.

Maybe put some more chink into the snare. The guitars need to have more grab. Not just louder, but more aggressive in the mix. Sorry, I don't know how exactly. :D


I really am digging this song. I love this style (I think I'm the only one around here.) and the this is really talented from both sides of the glass.:cool:
 
Wow - Sluice and I agreed on everything.


That means that we're BOTH wrong and the mix is perfect, lol.

But seriously, just dropping a line to mention that the mix is excellent - I totally neglected to say that in my earlier post, but it's true. I'm using the microscope on this one, that's all.

Be Evil,
Chris
 
I really have nothing to add except to bring the bottom up a tad.

This thing pretty amazing as it is, tho'.
 
Thanks again.
They added more vocals and I still hope to redo some guitars, but we plan to mix this week.
I'll post the finished one.
 
I have a couple suggestions.

First off though. . . Great job on the mix.

1. The snare sounds a bit muffled at times. Maybe EQ some high end into it or add a reverb on it. I like to add a bit of grit into a snare with something like a tape saturation plugin or maybe an amp simulation plugin.

Also turn the snare and the kick up in the mix. The kick could use much more click to cut through in the chorus. Maybe put a steep bump in around 4k with a small Q with a parametric.

Panning the toms just a little too. Maybe like 1st rack toms 30% left, 15% left on the next tom, and then floor about 20 to the right. It feels more natural to me that way. It also frees up the middle of the mix to come through better.

I hear the compression doing nasty things to those overheads. I would get rid of it. I have found that compression on OH tends to bring the hi-hat up too much and the cymbal crashes down too much. Give it a listen without it and you'll hear what I am saying.

2. You might consider a very short small room reverb on the hard panned guitars. It could give them some space and allow them to come up in volume without sacrificing anything.

3. I hear breathing by the vocalist on the guitar intro. Mute his track 'til he comes in. Maybe it is not him, but I heat noise other than guitar.

4. Don't bill yourself out so cheaply. You could be charging $30 - $50 an hour with stuff that sounds this good. Really.

Most of these comments are taste things, but I am just trying help. Seriously good mix though. I gave you five stars.

Beez
 
Thanks Beezo...

In reply:
1) I tried a vintage warmer in the snare setting last night, and it can do exactly what you said about grit. Probably gonna do that.
The toms are actually panned pretty hard, like 100% left, then center then 100% right. I'll mess with that compression too.

2) There is a short verb on the guitars now, but I'm not sure if that mix had it then or not. Cant rem. :)

3) I havent edited everything out yet, noise wise. We just now finished tracking the remaining vocals about 2 days ago. This mix was rough.

4) I hear from a lot of people that I am charging too little, but I'm in it to help out as much as I am to make a little money out of it. These young bands just cant afford to get done what they want done most people, and I am kind of thier break, if you will. I'm pretty ok with it. Eventually it'll go up a little bit, especially when the house is done (soon!) 14 foot ceilings in the live room and an attached control room looking down into the live room from up high, hanging for the ceiling on one side, with the iso's underneith. cant wait!
Thanks for the 5 star rating! :)
Paul
 
vocals sound great and recorded nice. The fuzz guitars are just that... fuzzy. The clean guitars sounded good to me.

some more power out of the drums would be nice...probably just bring them up in the mix would do alot of that when the crunching is going on.

I guess my problem with this song is that the guitars sound like they are just DI instruments...which is ok. But that seems to be the trend...or at least the sound does. Personally, I 'direct input' about 75% of my stuff, but I don't particularly like that rectifier, mesa boogie sound that just sounds so "solid state" to me.

Also... things are panned, but the instruments and stuff don't have their "place" in the mix. It sounds artificial and the spatialness of it all is only done thru panning. I think subtle use of stereo verbs (and a wide variety....and not nec. splashed all over the fucking place) would work much better than twiddling a pan knob. If you want something on the right...put "something on the left" to make it feel like it is
over -------->there. ya know...like a little delayed room sound. And do the opposite for the guitar on the other side. You do that for a couple of things, and the whole mix opens up with a 'real' space to it. Not just something coming out of the left speaker. If you just want to do electronic, headphone music, then pan away. I think it would help this mix..

oh...$15/hr isn't all that much when you take overhead out of it. Almost pays to work at Mcdonalds. If low prices brings you work, rather than keep it away, then do what you want to do. I kinda equate that with doing it for fun. Double your rates, do better mixes, be more efficiant, you'll double your biz because you are better than the other schmuck charging "nothing" for his studio.
 
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