NEW NAIANT (Mshilarious) MICS!

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andyhix said:
Hey APL,

Please don't takle this the wrong way. I'm just curious what your affiliation with MShilarious is? You really seem to push his mics VERY hard. Is it just that you REALLY like them that much or do you know MSH personally and are doing it a bit as a favor to a friend? I don't care either way - just curious where you're coming from.

I really like the mics and I'm an e-friend of his. I've talked to him on the phone a couple of times and sent him Cher LPs I didn't want.

If we're talking about home hobbyist project studio type recording I don't think you can find a better bang-for-the-buck tool for recording acoustic instruments. I think there's a tendency for us to be oversold on expensive equipment thinking that we can't make a decent recording without it. These mics will not be a limiting factor in the quality of home recordings. Timothy Lawler's guitar recordings pretty much prove that. If we're talking pro studio, well, they oughtta have some because they're cheap and very useful.

andyhix said:
I have a pair of MSH-1a's. They're nice little mics - great, in fact, for the price, but they aren't neccesarily the cats ass on every single thing. In fact, thruth be told, I haven't found an app that I would chose them OVER another mic I have. Part of that is, I guess, I haven't found a great app for omni's period. That's largely due to crappy room acoustics that I'm trying to remove from my tracks. Maybe if I was in a nice studio, the MSH mics would shine more to my ears.

Good acoustics are essential for omnis.

See www.ethanwiner.com/acoustics.html
 
Auuugh! apl taunts me as much as you. Why, who knows? That's apl. Carvin, ES57s, DavidK's CD, and me. Go figure.

OK, here is ONE MORE POST! LAST TIME! I MEAN IT! I have an email address you know!

The 1O is essentially replaced by the 2, however note the customization section on the 1 page. I will still make one if you beg me to, but I felt that the 1O needed a metal case and an extra component (note the 1O noise rating was 22dBA), and I had already maxed out on space inside the XX connector.

The 1 design doesn't suffer as much from the plastic boot because it is a fully balanced design from the capsule on through. On the minus side, that also limits its SPL performance.

The 2,4,5 also had to use a 10mm capsule to work mechanically inside the new case. Therefore, they aren't quite as flat 20-20k as the 1 is (the 5 isn't flat at all), but then again I've had some customers say they thought the 6mm omnis were too accurate :confused:

Why is the 5 so noisy? Because of the optocoupler. Probably only I am crazy enough to run signal (rather than a sidechain) through an optocoupler, but it sounds too cool! (PS optocouplers have LEDs, of course I used a LED too) With a harp 1mm from the capsule, it is not a problem. You need to push the volume up over 100dB to get into overdrive anyway. I have largely pitched this thing as a stage mic, since I doubt it would replace a tube amp in a studio, at least for a real serious harp player. I mean does any guitar pedal really replace a good tube amp? Other applications, I have no idea.

Someday, soon I hope, LETs will be commercially available :cool:

Phantom blockers: gone for good. They were a bitch to make, and ultimately I think the circuit still fell a bit short of full protection. I mean it stopped ribbons from popping, but when I cycled through 100 shorts, in some cases I could stretch the ribbon enough that I felt performance of the mic could be affected. The real solution is an active circuit, but that would require phantom power rather than just tolerate it like the passive circuit did (that is, the passive circuit passes signal whether or not there is phantom). Also I don't think I could fit my version of an active circuit inside the connector.

Here is the circuit for anyone interested in taking it up, I think I advanced it quite a lot from the idea I picked up. How it works: what happens when you turn on and off phantom voltage: most often, nothing, because there is no difference in voltage between pins 2 and 3. However, if you manage to short either pin, or only connect one pin (which can happen when patching or unpatching cables with phantom on, especially but not exclusively through a patchbay), you will get a nasty pop headed for the ribbon. I have measured that pop to be in the neighborhood of 2VAC, and it will usually destroy a ribbon quickly and mercilessly. You don't hot patch cables, you say? I believe you, as long as you don't let any oafs into your studio who trip over cables.

So we have to stop an incoming surge. R1 and R2 just serve to drop the voltage a bit, makes life a little easier on the cap ratings which means smaller size. What does the bulk of the work is D1 and D2, which are Schottky diodes. They have a couple of nice features: very low forward voltage, and they are very fast. However, unlike most diodes, the forward voltage is dependent on current, at phantom currents, it's very small, 0.2-0.3V. That voltage will *usually* not damage a ribbon, but ribbons with low impedance transformers (50 ohm) can still be damaged. So that limited voltage needs to be dropped again by R5 and R6. The values are R5 and R6 here are rather conservative, if you are using a normal medium impedance (150 ohm) ribbon, 220 will probably do. In the forward direction, well we've just built an attenuator circuit so higher values here will protect the ribbon better, but cost you more dB of signal, depending on the input impedance of your preamp, but generally something like 2-3dB.

Lastly, R3 and R4 serve to protect the ribbon in case something crazy happens like AC voltage is applied at line level (or through a headphone amp, in my case :D ). Because the forward voltage of Schottkys increases with current, R3 and R4 limit current to prevent that from happening.

You know, everyone's initial reaction is to use caps to block DC (which doesn't work in this case), but in the end, I don't even think C1 and C2 are necessary. But I never tested the circuit without them.
 
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TelePaul said:
I don't blame you to be honest.

I do know an Irish joke, though.

Two Irishman walk out of a pub. No, really! It could happen!
 
Obi-Wan zenabI said:
That's a nifty looking mic in the link-- know of any reviews on it? What was it designed for? OWZ

I think it is an omni PA mic made in the 50's and 60's for the military.
Some made be EV and some by University Sound.
The other model is JAN M-43
http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-ELECTRO...ryZ64449QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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I read about it in the May 2006 Recording Mag.
The artical was titled 5 Mics for $100 that you need.
 
Thanks for the link...

I do already have an astatic JT-30, which is one of the "classic" harp mics... but that harp sound needs a mic like that plus a tube amp-- not something to carry in yer pocket to a bar where a blues or rock band might ask you to hop up on stage for a song or two (which is the only time I really play my harmonica out)

That orange crush mic is great as a stage mic... MSHilarious seems to be suggesting that it would get a sound that approximates the vintage mic-->lo-watt tube amp sound, only right into the board. That's _cool._

I also have a cool EV630, but no adapter for its 4 pin output...
 
that is definitely at least $19.99 (current bid) worth of mojo in a mic, though Timbo.

er... wait.. is that the same mic as the fairradio link???
 
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Are there any sound clips of the orange crush? I'm tempted to get one since I've been playing more harp lately, but I'd like to get an Idea what they sound like and what the 'whole lotta honk' actually adds to the sound :).
 
nukeitout said:
Are there any sound clips of the orange crush? I'm tempted to get one since I've been playing more harp lately, but I'd like to get an Idea what they sound like and what the 'whole lotta honk' actually adds to the sound :).

+1. i hesitated to buy b/c i couldn't decide. now they're sold out... :(
 
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