New Melodyne (Check This Out!)

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anyway, what a cool compositional tool!

Change a song from major to minor, change the timing a bit, without lifting a finger.

then, play the real thing for the take ;)
 
I agree alot, although not totally, of what Good friend is saying. Granted, this is a forum and open to discussion, but it boils down to preference and opinion. Calling Melodyne cheating is isolating one of thousands of programs, especially in this software era that we are living in. Analog enthusiast will argue that software users are cheating, Old school piano players might argue that Keyboard Synths allow more freedom, Drum players mighty argue that any song that uses MPC's or other electronic drum modules are cheating, Hell I have even heard from an old goat that using midi is cheating. So where do you draw the line? Technology has caught up to us! Creativity is still something that comes within and whatever you can do with what you have to me is fair game. I think people want to hear good music, they are not concerned about how the person went about doing it. (And that is proven by the Artist out there who have succeeded with a particular sound and not because they played by the "rules".) I think it falls back on how you prefer to make your music and to what limit you are willing to go to get there. The only one's who really care are probably the engineers who went through countless hours of classroom only to find years later that people can duplicate their sound with a click of the mouse. Reminds me of my Dad when he got upset when he was no longer capable of working on his 98 olds because they started using more computer generated parts......
 
It's simple.

The less talent one has and the more of a sense of entitlement one has, the more they like products like Melodyne.

The more respect for the concept of value one has and a respect of music one has, the less they like products like Melodyne.

It's ironically hilarious how the same people who support the idea that products like Melodyne democratize the creation of music by allowing anybody to become a rock star are the same ones who complain the most about the state of music since such products have been used for just that. It just sounds like a bunch of Miley Cyrus wannabes complaining about Miley Cyrus.

G.
 
Melodyne is for those vocalist who want to "sing" in tonw without sweta and tears. This software is producing more lazy musicians and, in consequence, more shitty music!
 
Trumpspade said:
The only one's who really care are probably the engineers who went through countless hours of classroom only to find years later that people can duplicate their sound with a click of the mouse.
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Where is that Andy Wallace button again?
 
it will sound like shit...probably plastic...and this "revolution" unfortunately can change expression of music for worse :confused:
my girlfriend sings really in tune...everyone makesmistakes sometimes and even when my girlfriend sang one note a little of tune i dont want to repair it because it kills the natural expression...
this program can be good as someone said for composition:)
 
killthepixelnow said:
Melodyne is for those vocalist who want to "sing" in tonw without sweta and tears. This software is producing more lazy musicians and, in consequence, more shitty music!
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I have no idea what "sweater tears" or "sweeter tears" are..........just kidding!

I know that it's only your opinion and we all have them, but as I said, you can say that for any software out there then. We are living in a digitalized computer recording time, so why just pick on Melodyne? Is being able to copy, paste, drag, edit notes, use plugins, etc.......... Is that cheating? Vintage analog equipment user would have thought so. Motown engineers stomach would turn at the sight of the software that most people in here use to enhance their product. My point is most if not all of the software programs allow musicians to be lazy nowadays. Look at the Reason program. Is that cheating? You play midi notes, re-arrange them, edit them, and then copy and past throughout a track. Is that s genuine way of laying down instrumental tracks? I am not a fan or a supporter of Melodyne, but why not put everything else in that category. I guess that is all I am trying to say!
 
NL5 said:
Where is that Andy Wallace button again?
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Most professional engineers, including Andy Wallace speaks of tasteful use of programs like Melodyne, Autotune, and others.......It's the over saturation and abuse that is sickening!
 
Trumpspade said:
Most professional engineers, including Andy Wallace speaks of tasteful use of programs like Melodyne, Autotune, and others.......It's the over saturation and abuse that is sickening!
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You said you could get their sound with a click of a mouse. No training needed. LOL. :D Where is that button????? I'd click it in a heartbeat.
 
wooooohooo!
Sweet regurgitating Zombie Jesus
This is just too gawddamn much
Celemony can suck (or it allready did) Satans c..k
Pointless
 
Trumpspade said:
but why not put everything else in that category. I guess that is all I am trying to say!
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It's not the tool, it's how it's used that is being frowned upon by most of us. Maybe we could be clearer about that - though if we're not, not not because of a lack of effort on most of our parts.

Reason and digital editing doesn't get the attention and ire that Melodyne or Autotune is because most people are not USING Reason and other such digital editing products to substitute for musicianship. Just because they can make people lazy does not mean that is how the majority of people are choosing to use them.

It's the same argument about multi-band compression. The issue most people have there is that they have absolutely *nothing* against multi-band compressors, they have problems with their unenlightened use as a poor substitute for the mixing process.

I have absoluetly nothing against handguns or the ownership of them. I feel that is an individual's right. But when gang bangers come on these forums advocating their unregistered use to take down non-gang bangers, calling it the new world order, yeah, I have a problem with that.

You know, the absolutely ludicrous thing about this - and NL5 hit this pretty damn good when he asked "where's the button?" - is that the truly best uses of Melodyne/Autotune require just as much work as the lazy ones are trying to avoid when it comes to trying to re-engineer a lousy performance. Most of the one-button "automatc" functions in these applications fall way short in sonic quality versus more tedious and more work-intensive manual editing for many of the purposes for which they advocate their use. It's often faster or easier to just re-track and get it right (unless the performer is a hack, of course.)

G.
 
NL5 said:
You said you could get their sound with a click of a mouse. No training needed. LOL. :D Where is that button????? I'd click it in a heartbeat.
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Oh is this your issue?

To be honest it was not meant the way you took it. I never mentioned that training is not needed. I never mentioned a mysterious button.
To elaborate a bit more on what I should have said, it's more than a mere click of a mouse, (I shouldn't have put it that way!) Sorry!
But engineers once spent countless hours of manual improvisions, which now can be done quicker because of the digital/computer age. (Which still take countless hours.....)
I agree most of what everyone here is saying. I don't believe in a quick sip of serum that will boost your production/song quality through the roof! Melodyne/Autotune is not a quick fix. But if used properly, appropriately, and tastefully, it could be a useful tool in certain situations.

And Glen, I absolutely agree with your last post about programs that can make a person lazy but a person not choosing to use it for that purpose. Great post!
 
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