New Behringer Gear Released!!!

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So, what do you guys think. I cant wait to get my hands on the new Behringer C-1. Apparently it sounds as good as a U87. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: oh god i hate behringer
 
its got that retarded bottom handle clip to attach it to the mic stand
 
Do you have a link to the new gear? I didn't see anything on their site.

Thanks.
 
Wow. I can't wait to add to the other 400+ sub-$100 mics I can't tell from a U-87!
 
Ah, thanks. I'm a dork -- I was expecting some big press release on their site or something. Didn't realize they'd already added the new products to the site.
 
notbradsohner said:
So, what do you guys think. I cant wait to get my hands on the new Behringer C-1. Apparently it sounds as good as a U87. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: oh god i hate behringer

You might hate the stuff, but remember:

Hate to burst your bubble, but gear's only a part of the equation... the biggest part are recording skills------Blue Bear Sound


:D :eek:
 
A lot of idiot snobs in this place. What's the beef? Did you spend the next five years worth of paychecks on overpriced gear, so you gotta diss the budget stuff in order to justify the colossal waste of money?

Sure, there's a lot of budget crap out there, but there's also some gold. Don't paint everything -- including Beheringer -- with the same brush. It just makes you look stupid.
 
My first post in many months, and I'd hate the first to be a sorta 'in your face' type deal even though it's not really meant that way, but

Blue Bear Sound said:
Nope, not one piece [of Behringer].... I had a couple of pieces once - couldn't sell it off fast enough! Felt dirty just opening the box!!!

This isn't purgatory, this is Behringer. Actually, funny I should come across this so quickly--one of my favorite quotes ever about engineering/music/producing/et al came from this site. I don't recall who said it, unfortunately, but it was something along the lines of "If specs were the only things that mattered, everyone would be using Behringer"

While I honestly think that there're even good behry's out there (I have a Tube Ultragain T1953 pre, and it does what it does well, even though it doesn't seem to play nice when you change the tubes), it's still Behringer, and having worked at Sam Ash and spoken to countless pros and home users alike, Behringers have the highest return rate of any equipment I'm aware of by quite a large margin, and just isn't quality--and that's in regards to sound quality and construction quality.

'Course I know I'm preaching to the chior at this point, so I'll go--I've got quite a bit to catch up on.
 
I have no problem with people buying cheap gear. I didn't save up 5 years to buy my high end stuff. What I did was learned from 3 years of "saving money by buying cheap gear" I didn't save any money buying cheap gear. It cost me money.

What I don't agree with is comparing the cheap crap to the nice well built pieces of work. The $100 mic that sounds like the $1900 mic? Hasn't happened yet and I don't expect it to any time soon. If that makes me an elitist snob by being a realist, than I will happily take my seat at that table and be proud of it.

I have bought some pretty expensive pieces of gear and have never regretted any of those purchases. I have also bought some cheap stuff. I have regretted every one of those. Then again, I make enough money that I can find ways to buy the nice stuff:)
 
When buying gear, there are usually two important considerations. One is what they really need, and two is what they can afford.

If they have a $200 budget for an item, then folks telling them then need a $1000 model is not all that useful. It boils down to finding the best they can do with their $200. An additional consideration here may also be finding something that they might later be able to sell if they get more $ later and want to move up in features/quality.

The second factor is what they really need. 32 channel mixer boards are very nice, but if they only want to record two or three things at a time, they probably don’t really need the 32-channel model. Gear is dead last in the items that affect recorded quality, with artist performance, recording engineer ability, and recording sound environment being the more important factors. If any of these three are lacking, then the world’s best gear will not make much difference.

Ed
 
Ed Dixon said:
Gear is dead last in the items that affect recorded quality, with artist performance, recording engineer ability, and recording sound environment being the more important factors. If any of these three are lacking, then the world’s best gear will not make much difference.

Gear is not dead last, it's equal in importance to the other factors. Not more important, not less important, equally important. If you have the other three factors, but lousy gear, what you have is a great performance and a compromised recording. All factors are equal.

I also agree with the poster that said he only feels like he wasted money when he bought cheap gear. Exactly how I feel, after years of gear buying and using experience. Virtually every bargain basement prosumer piece of gear I've ever owned has had to have been bought over and over again. Either because it broke down, never functioned up to a decent standard, or my ears outgrew it. Better gear lasts longer, and in the long run costs less.

That's the idea that I can't seem to get across on these message boards: buy better and save money in the long term. People keep accusing me of gear snobbery, but a gear snob is the *last* thing I am. I'm trying to be helpful with these posts, but there is often an odd defensive posture taken by some. There's no need for that, this is not personal.

Again, buy better and save money in the long term. It works like this:

Purchase price is only one factor in figuring the cost of a unit. Most people look at this as one lump sum. In that way of viewing things, a lower dollar figure equals a lower price. But in practice this is not how it works. The reason being that gear is used *over time*. So time is a factor in the cost of the unit.

You need to amortize the cost of the unit over the period of time that it will be used. This changes the "value" equation quite a bit.

A bottom fishing prosumer unit will cost less up front, but its period of usefulness will be shorter due to a variety of factors, adding to its cost per year. The better piece of gear will cost more upfront but have a longer period of usefulness, lowering its cost per year. Great equipment, and I mean the really great stuff, is basically a lifetime purchase, so in some ways the most expensive gear becomes the least expensive when you consider the time factor.

I have spent thousands and thousands and thousands on budget gear that I have eventually had to upgrade. All that money was indeed wasted. I have kicked myself many times for not putting out more money upfront on the better gear, because in *every* case I would have saved money had I done that. Spending money on cheap gear is WASTING money. It is that simple.

So the ultimate moral of the story is: if you've identified a need for your studio, spend *as much* as you can possibly afford to meet that need. Everyone's budget is different, but what's the same is the principles behind getting the best value for your dollar. And that does not necessarily mean hunting down the lowest priced gear.
 
it looks nothing like a ksm.. i know where your comming from but owning a ksm44 it looks nothing like a ksm at all...
it does however look 100% like a samson copycat.
behringer sounding anything like a u87...lol,ppl will learn soon enough not to half ass your vocal chain...
 
Ed Dixon said:
Gear is dead last in the items that affect recorded quality, with artist performance, recording engineer ability, and recording sound environment being the more important factors. If any of these three are lacking, then the world’s best gear will not make much difference.

That is asanine to even think that!!! Ditto, to SonicAlbert. Your equipment IS just as important as any other factor in the recording process.

I can't even begin to count the money I have wasted on budget gear, and for that matter even middle of the road gear, but I'll bet you what I spent would have filled my studio with top notch gear, that I'd still have today, as most of the budget crap I bought is long since dead or sold due to poor build quality. I'll concede that yes many budget pieces of gear are pretty good matches for higher end counterparts, but the life span of the gear just isn't there (There are exceptions to this rule as every so often a piece of gear is released that is inexpensive, well built, sounds great, and is just generally worth its weight in gold...But these are few and far between).

I'm not trying to burst anyones bubble here. Just trying to be a realist. My 2 cents are ultimately this: If you only have $200 dollars to spend, Think long and hard before you spend it. You can buy that budget gear, or you could bank it for awhile and save your pennies until you can afford that upgrade. Remember, Budget gear does NOT hold retail value. So to look at it as an investment until you can afford better, is not necessarily the best way to look at it.
 
Atterion said:
That is asanine to even think that!!! Ditto, to SonicAlbert. Your equipment IS just as important as any other factor in the recording process.

Sorry, but I disagree. The single most important factor for any recording is the artist. If they sing and/or perform badly, then absolutely nothing will help. Every month there are scads of recordings released that go nowhere, because what is on them is not good enough.

Following the artist are the recording environment and the engineer doing the work. A noisy room will yield bad recordings regardless of gear. Same for a recording person who is limited in skill in what it takes to do a good job.

Last in the list is gear.

Even the most basic digital gear available today for a few hundred dollars can produce better sonic results that the majority of professional recordings produced during the first 75 years of recorded music. Yet many of those very recordings are still viewed as great selections because of the artists and the abilities of the people involved.

This board is entitled www.homerecording.com. That implies that many of the posters are not full time professionals, but folks who record audio in some form of a home studio.

Ed
 
i guess what you need to ram into peoples heads, atterion, is to assume you're going the distance with the products you buy instead of instant gratification. personally i never think about resale value. i dont think of selling it when i buy it. I've always been the kind of person to use it until it dies. even so, I bought behringer because it was what i could afford. do i want better? yes. now that i know i will be doing this for years to come. i didnt know i would want to do this for a long time when i first started so i bought enough to mess around. now when i talk about buying better things, other people i know that are kinda into recording but still messing around are ready to buy up my behringer stuff and my samson monitors. if people arent sure about if they want to keep doing this or not, i say let them buy budget equipment. not everyone looks back in regret at not buying the top notch equipment first.
 
A 16 year old kid making a vanity demo of his/her first song does not need a $3,000 mic pre when a $100 pre will get the job done, nor do they need a $2,000 mic when a $100 mic can capture the sound.

A 30 year old professional producer/engineer my need that $3,000 mic pre to compete at a pro level - and a 50 year home recorder may choose to buy the $3,000 pre simply because they can afford it (perhaps even if the quality of the talent does not justify it).

Should that 16 year delay his dream of making music for 3 years until he can afford better gear - or is the ability to create music and start to learn the art worth the cost of an occasional upgrade?

Is the 50 year old wiser, better or more of a valid artist simply because he can afford better gear?

Better gear does cost more because it is better. Certainly many low cost items will be replaced (I completely agree with the rule "buy cheap, buy twice" - and I've made many poor choices) but in many cases lower cost gear is both necessary and justified.

While it is good that the people who have learned that buying cheap does indeed often lead to buying twice are trying o relay that to others, it always seems (not just in this thread - but in many others) some people seem to go out of their way to simply bash low cost gear in a way that has no specific educational value.

As someone else has pointed out, identify what the goal of using the gear is (hobby, vs. professional, etc) and then establish a realistic budget to achieve that goal. If the budget demands certain compromises, then decide where you can compromise.

As an example, I don't feel the headohone cue system is a critical part of the signal chain, so I use a Behringer headphone amp. I'm not recording world class singers, or producing multi-platinum artists, so I can't justify a $2000 mic (I can afford a $2,000 mic - but I can't justify it).

A Chevy can get from point A to B and so can a Mercedes, maybe the ride ain't as smooth but you can get to point B.
 
xstatic said:
If that makes me an elitist snob by being a realist, than I will happily take my seat at that table and be proud of it.

Using your brains and your ear doesn't make anyone an elitist snob. Instantly dismissing a product because of it's a) price; or b) brand name DOES.

I have a personal bias against Fender guitars. The ones I've bought and used never really thrilled me. But you don't see me writing here, "Ugh, Fender, take it back. Throw it away. Fender sucks. etc. etc." That's not only stupid, it's childish.

Granted, Fender has a better rep than Beheringer, but that's not the point. And if you don't GET the point by now, you're an idiot.
 
SonicAlbert said:
Gear is not dead last, it's equal in importance to the other factors. Not more important, not less important, equally important. If you have the other three factors, but lousy gear, what you have is a great performance and a compromised recording. All factors are equal.

While I agree with the idea behind this post, I don't particularly think it MATTERS if you have a compromised recording. Listen to any great Beatles song or Motown stuff and, while it was probably state of the art at the time, the recordings are less than wonderful today.

And it doesn't friggin' matter. A lot of that stuff still gives us a chill DESPITE the antiquated recording techniques. Why? Because it's great friggin' music done by great friggin' bands.

So while I agree that the gear is important, it's certainly not and never will be EQUALLY important.
 
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