Need teacher-Roland XP80/midi/finale/computer

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Hi Patricia - I got a few minutes between shifts, thought I'd check the progress so far - Littledog and Seanmorse are indeed accurate in their assessments, unfortunately. The only thing I might add is re: Littledog's comment about the mechanical feel of scanned in sheet music, due to the quantization (timing correction) that is necessary in order for notation to be printed out correctly. Here is my take on that. Bear in mind each and every one of the following "ifs" - IF your audio tapes have percussion tracks that exhibit a steady beat, and IF your scores are scannable, and IF you can find someone with the expertise and time, then MAYBE, the original timing (feel) of the cassettes can be super-imposed on the MIDI tracks generated by scanning the score. This would require

a scanner (seanmorse's comments seconded here, I have a Canon slimline USB model that was $99, works great and about 3-4 times as fast as my older SCSI model)

Software - Cakewalk Pro Audio/Sonar have a function called "extract audio timing" that can, with practice, re-map a MIDI sequence with a new "tempo track" based on audio events, such as kick and snare drum. This is not an easy thing to do, requires several tries usually, and doesn't always work even then. The XL version of Sonar has several soft-synths and sampler type applications that might be useful, if not for this project then at least for future endeavors.

Software - Finale, depending on the version, may be all that's necessary to convert your scores to MIDI files, which could then be imported into Cake/Sonar. If not, then Musitek's SmartScore series of programs should do it. They are available as demo's for free, so once you had a scanner it wouldn't cost anything to see if the scanning will work.

For cleanup and conversion to MP3, either Sound Forge with the Noise Reduction module, or Samplitude Studio, would do all you need to do. Samplitude does unlimited tracks, so would be better for multitrack projects in addition to cleanup.

The more I chew on this, the more I think starting over may be your best bet. I would check the local musician's union for possible help with re-playing parts, if you're not going to do it yourself. Having both the cassettes and the sheet music will help anyone doing this to get the same "feel".

I don't like to ever sound like "Eeyore the donkey" , but considering the complexity of doing what you want to do AND the continued fickleness of the web for actually profitable schemes, if you're doing this to actually make a living I would have to recommend getting a job a McDonald's or something. If you're as prolific a composer as it sounds, you might be better off setting up a more professional system, joining TAXI and writing spec pieces on demand. This is one of my next projects, once I get caught up on the 2,435,697 current ones.

I didn't ever intend to give you false hope - your project is doable, one way or another. It's just not going to be easy or quick. There is a fact of life that is referred to in several different circles, known as the "good/fast/cheap" triangle. You can have any two of the three. Period. This seems to hold true for anything you consider.

If you decide after all this that you still want to pursue the project, please feel free to ask for more help either here or privately. You've already found out there are several people here with good advice (some not so good, I won't mention any names for fear of waking them up) so remember we wouldn't be here if we didn't want to help. Also, posting back regarding any progress you make would not be unwelcome and might spark more suggestions as well. Gotta go for now, let us know what you decide... Steve
 
Applauding Knightfly!

Hi Knightfly: Thanks again for your words of wisdom. Last night I had a brainstorm (of sorts). If my goal was for people to be able to download an entire musical score to play live.... couldn't I just
burn a CD off the cassettes...then upload the files onto a site where they could then burn a CD? As a member of tonos.com
I recently entered a Michael Jackson song writing contest.
Though the files were mp3 on their site...I went to a studio...voiced over a vocal.. got a CD made of it.. and the studio uploaded the track on the website. The same should work with cassettes.
I will definitely scan the sheet music in... no problem (especially one I get a scanner). There is a computer fair at Wall Memorial Stadium this Saturday I will venture over to. Canon...huh?
Looks like all this 'chewing and brain search" is leading me down the road to answers.
As for McDonalds, I worked my whole life and now I am at a point where I can do what I want. I have an revolutionary idea regarding our music and am willing to give it a shot. Other than my kids, family and friends -music is the only thing that makes my heart sing! Thank God I can afford the harmony!!! LOL
I will stay in touch as I roll..... All best wishes... Patricia
 
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Patricia - Glad to hear you're not trying to put beans on the table with this, that makes it more relaxed and more fun. One of the hundreds of trite slogans/phrases that have stuck in the concrete that forms part of my brain: "If you won't enjoy the journey, then find another destination" - It sounds to me like you've found your journey, so who cares about the destination?

And, yes, you could do a few things with just the cassettes; the first stage would be to convert them to WAV files, save those, preferable both on your hard drive AND on CDr's- then, you could convert them to the highest quality MP3 files available and upload that format. (WAV files are too large for anyone without a DSL or cable modem, unless that person has nothing else to do with days of their time)

When you're sure of exactly WHAT you want to do, and what you WILL want to do later, we can talk about specific soft/hardware recommendations. You'll find, as with previous posts, that everybody has their pets AND their peeves (me included) but if you sift everything and heed the common no-no's, you should get to where you can do all you want to do in future. This field is even more fun for people like us if we DON'T have to make a living at it. As a (former) teacher, look at the VAST opportunity you have discovered for learning - trust me, you've only so far just discovered a tiny speck of white - even the "tip" of the iceberg is still ahead, and it's a big one. Fortunately, it's a lot more fun than the one the Titanic encountered... Steve
 
Knightfly.. Mustek Scanner any good?

Mustek Scanner on sale for $49.95 ($10 shipping) special on AOL today ... would this be any good? Is Canon you suggested better?


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The BearPaw 1200CU is one of the slimmest scanners available today. Since it is only 1.4" high and draws power from the USB port, it is ready to go wherever you go. With 600x1200 dpi resolution, you'll get high-quality scans that you can email or fax at the press of a button! And with the handy software programs, you can make your home and office projects fun and easy!
Steve: I also saw on your profile you do video production. Can you take a VCR tape and also upload it into computer format to be viewable on a website? Downloadable too? What software would you need? My son just got a Dell with win XP. Any good?
I also have Nero on mine.

Thanks for your words of wisdom. Life is too short to leave our music in a dusty box. You bet it is wonderful not to need to make your living from it though...those $$$ can also come later. Like you.. I love the journey. Stay well and happy! All best..Patricia
 
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Don't sweat the scanner too much. They are all pretty decent and cheap enough to be almost disposable. Just pick one that looks cool and is cheap ;) Compare the DPI resolution, higher is better, for an idea of the quality. I believe 600x1200 is pretty standard.

Just to recap, with what you have you can do the following:

Record your casettes on the computer and convert them to MP3 for download.

Scan the scores and put PDF's on the web for download.

If you would rather pay somebody to do all of this email me at texroadkill@yahoo.com and we can talk more in depth about rates. I have a lot of experience with cleaning up old tapes and remastering them for CD and MP3. I can also handle scanning the original scores and converting them to PDF for you. I'm looking for more side work so let me know if you are interested.

Cheers,
Travis
 
Patricial, looks like you've found a source for whatever you want to do outsourced - What you saw on my bio was the shortest version of pertinent parts of my life, as applies to this type of board. My Video engineering is 98% 20+ years old, as in VHS was a new format when I left the Bay area. Also, my idea of Video engineering is to design and build the systems that Video Production people use. That is what I did for a living in the San Francisco Bay area, mostly with pro level Video equipment. Today's scene is vastly more bang-for-the-buck, and I've been researching the gear/software to best incorporate Video production services into my studio. As of right now, I have about $25,000 left to spend in order to get where I want to be, and about 1-2 years before I have any chance of getting there. The new studio will be capable of 5.1 surround, audio for video, forensic analysys of anything you can hear, voice overs, 64 track digital audio production, vinyle restoration, sound replacement, and anything else that I think might be a profitable venture that I can afford/learn to do.

Right now, however, my studio looks like a sloppily run musician's garage sale, with piles of stuff everywhere, entire garbage cans full of cables, several stacks of new gear that has yet to come out of the box, and it's driving me nuts; in fact, I'm probably going to clean out half the bedroom I use as an office and at least set up a pair of nearfield monitors and an XP-50 and guitar workstation, before it's too far to back up just to go crazy...

I have yet to read anything by Travis (TexRoadKill) that even vaguely sounded like bullshit to me (and my sense of smell is pretty good that way), so if you need something like that done I would grab him before he changes his mind. In fact, if Travis and I were in the same state and I was ready for business, I'd consider him a serious threat to the bottom line, just from what I've seen on this board... Steve
 
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