Need some suggestions / help ?

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I placed these tunes on the mp3 page and got some good response of what needed help (primarily drums, from what the response was), but wondered if you guys could give me specific ideas of how to help the drums fit better with the song...

Any thoughts on the tunes or ideas on how to make the mix better are appreciated.....

thanks
celt





 
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you KIDDING????

Lets hear some details of this recording. If this is TRULY a home recording, its by leaps and bounds the BEST I've ever heard. Praise dont come easily from me, especially about drums.

Maybe you got a really BIG home ? :)

in terms of hi-fi ness there is some lack here but Im betting its the mp3 encoding itself

if it were me the drums would have MUCH more impact, but I think that I would have actually destroyed the feel of this song. I think everything certainly fits.

some things that could help:

sidechaining the kick and bass guitar, would be more groove-ey

are there two mics on the snare? maybe overheads got a lot of snare or something. something is thinning out the mids on the snare and it doesnt sound like EQ, it sounds like a phasing thing

maybe drumagog or dm-5 or something a 50 or 60 hz wave to trigger everytime that kick hits...

theres lots of room above and below whats going on in this mix that can be used, but again, might just be the mp3 encoding

great guitar tone! how ???

Aaron Carey
StudioZ/Pipelineaudio
www.studiozpro.com
 
Id be real interested and think it would be fun to try and remix these drums. Even mp3s of the individual tracks emailed back and forth. sounds like fun! Let me know!
 
wow

thanks for the compliments.....don't know how deserving I am, but much appreciated, nonetheless! It is just a home studio.....a one room thingie in ol'mommas basement (www.galacticcelt.com)...no pics yet, but samples and equipment info....I'd like to move up someday, but for now, between eating and stuff, I'm still there!

Which song did you listen to? I'm assuming Boy Band since it was first up...

As far as the equipment...I've got varying mics...I think for this one, I used a Beta 52 on the kick, PVM 480's on the OH, 57's on snare and toms...singe mic'd everything...ran out of tracks! For vox, I used a Shure KSM 27, and on the bass amp, I sent his signal through an A/B, one to the Ampeg and one through the Marshall (we ran an Ampeg head through the bottom 4 speaks of an 8x10 and a Marshall 3203 through the top.....mic'd em both....52 on bottom of cab, 57 on top and blended.)

Everything goes through my Mackie CFX 20, an Echo Layla and into my computer...I'm using Nuendo as my work station and several different plug ins....


I'm a numbskull and new to this, so please explain what 'sidechaining' is? thanka

As far as the mids being cut out, it may be eq....my drummer's ride cymbal had an amazingly annoying cutthrough pitch that seemed to override everything, so I really had to sweep some of the hi-mids to kill it without losing everything else....hated that.... I'm still thinking the toms don't have enough separation and clarity either...

I'd love to learn how to do the trigger thing, as I can think of times it would be cool to use, but I have no clues on it!!!!! Another thing you can help explain to me!

As far as a guitar tone, I'll take some credit (lol)........to be honest, since playing guitar, it took me forever to get the tone I liked......I settled on an ADA (R.I.P.) MP1, Peavy 50/50 tube amp and ADA 2x12 split cabs....I've been using the same settings now for 10 years, and still have't found anything I like better. No special mic technique....I usually use the standard method of a 57, but I'll sometimes throw it right at the cone...sometimes a bit off the side....I'm lazy and didn't document what I did, but I was happy with the sound, so left it....I know the ADA was one of the amps, and it's possible (and likely) that I used the POD for one of the others to change up tone...usually one of the Boogie settings and then panned different degrees.

Thanks again for the compliments.....I wasn't expecting anything like that!!!!! You've offered some ideas that I'm not quite familiar with, so I'll be waiting to hear back on what they are.....as far as the mp3s of drums, I could do that next time I get over the studio, if you really wanna try it! Do you want them dry or like they are now?


btw, I saw somewhere you'd worked with Metal Blade bands...any chance you've worked with King's X, Galactic Cowboys or Fates Warning...just curious...they're some of my heroes!

celt
 
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Yup, boy band

sidechaining, kinda touched on on another post:

http://www.homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?threadid=64345

in this case, running the kick ( or even extremely lo pass filtered stereo drums) into a compressor's sidechain input, while the bass runs thru the audio of the compressor
Every time the kick hits, the bass gets ducked, giving the illusion of the kick drum " playing " the bass guitar. It also lets you turn the bass up a LOT louder withput it eating the kick drum

"I'd love to learn how to do the trigger thing, as I can think of times it would be cool to use, but I have no clues on it!!!!! Another thing you can help explain to me!"

a triggering deviceis similar to a noise gate...once a threshold has been passed, itll fire a sample. So say, the kick drum on tape, will cause the trigger to fire more kick drum samples...cleaner nicer ones or more consistent ones, or even something totally different
drumagog www.drumagog.com is UNREAL for this

ahh ADA! I have an ADA MP-2 around here, and it is a very very versatile performer...no wonder I like the guitar sound :)

if the drums are on separate tracks, it wouldnt be too tricky to try and do...what is the track layout that you got drumwise ? and what format do you use ? *.wav ? should be easy enough

metal blade bands I worked on were ones with Bill Metoyer ( my hero )...Sacred Reich, Flotasam and Jetsam, PWR, cant remember too many....the Vehemence demo that got them signed was also from me...Ill see what else
 
cool.....

sidechain thing sounds good....have to get a real compressor for that, I assume! (I'm only using plug ins right now)...

I'll check your link regarding the triggers......does that come out of the (in my case) computer, to the sampler, then back onto a new track?...wanted to make sure I'm equipped enough to use it if I wanted to try!

I'm thinking I had
1. Kick
2. Snare
3. OH Left
4. OH Right
5. Tom 1
6. Tom 2
7. Tom 3
8. Tom 4

Have to pull out my sheet to verify, but I think that's it...

I could slap the wave files onto a CD and mail them to ya (probably quicker and better quality)..one version with effects...one dry or something like that.

Yeah...I've heard of some of the bands you've worked with, and from what I heard on your mp3 page, I'm certainly humbled! Thanks for your help and ideas!
 
in the case of drumagog, everything stays inside the PC

now if that was really the track layout...if you could render them from start of the song to finsih each so that I can drop em in an editor, pull all the way to the front and theyd all line up, no problem...I just wanted to do a rough remix, email it back as mp3, just as an example, and then watch what you do, once youve heard someone else do it....no need for wav files in this case
 
I could do that sometime this week.....you want all the tracks dry, I assume?

I'll cut em down and ship em to ya!


BTW, checked on Drumagog....it sounds like it should be filed under the 'why didn't I think of that' category........is the software sensitive to grace notes and lighter hits, or is it pretty much straight sample? I'm downloading the trial now...

I'm still trying to figure out the side chaining thing and if it's possible to do it with plugins, or if I need to put it on the 'to do' list!

thanks again!
 
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