Need some advice on a pre-production

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giraffe said:
then back to my bass statements
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Tell you what?

Hows about i send you the track with no bass and you lay a bass line to it?

You game?
 
I only listened to the second version (on dialup right now), but liked it. Maybe bring up the guitar parts that play the harmonic sounds a bit when you do a final on it. That seemed to add some cool sounds that stood out in this track. Overall, I liked it, and would listen to it as is, so any changes would just be more icing..... :D

I should add, the scream vocs in the background sounded cool....

Ed
 
Right before the first chorus the drums do a fill that's just seven or eight eighth notes and then into the chorus. It would be cool if the drums just did five and then a full stop, with a reverse reverb or swelling guitar noise bringing us, across the remaining time, into the chorus proper.
 
First, try reducing the bpms on the song, try to make it more Mellancholic, but just a bit, then the rythm pattern on the verse is very bad(drums)...try removing some snares out of it, and, on the chorus , replace the hit hats with a full crash, on the C part (a-verse, b-Chorus, c- third part) try a open hit hat sample.
Reduce all the rythm complexity of the verse(simplify guitar rythm as well as the drums) for the chorus to stand up, because the chorus doesn't have the desire effect...that's what i feel.
Remove the reverb out of the guitars...it´s out of style, and replace the clean sound for a more dirty sound, an ibanez tube screamer maybe do the trick.
Good guitar sound(on the chorus).
On the " i have become undone..." try adding a third guitar on the midle, with a Big muff to fill the hell out of it, and to bring that part to a next level.
The chorus in general i like, the worst thing here to me is the the verse, that doesn´t help the chorus or the C part at all. the dynamic of the music doesn't go up or down as i feel it should.
Think about it...

Sorry for my bad english.

Good dist guitars!What amp and guitar did you used?
 
Marciano said:
First, try reducing the bpms on the song, try to make it more Mellancholic, but just a bit, then the rythm pattern on the verse is very bad(drums)...try removing some snares out of it, and, on the chorus , replace the hit hats with a full crash, on the C part (a-verse, b-Chorus, c- third part) try a open hit hat sample.
Reduce all the rythm complexity of the verse(simplify guitar rythm as well as the drums) for the chorus to stand up, because the chorus doesn't have the desire effect...that's what i feel.
Remove the reverb out of the guitars...it´s out of style, and replace the clean sound for a more dirty sound, an ibanez tube screamer maybe do the trick.
Good guitar sound(on the chorus).
On the " i have become undone..." try adding a third guitar on the midle, with a Big muff to fill the hell out of it, and to bring that part to a next level.
The chorus in general i like, the worst thing here to me is the the verse, that doesn´t help the chorus or the C part at all. the dynamic of the music doesn't go up or down as i feel it should.
Think about it...

Sorry for my bad english.

Good dist guitars!What amp and guitar did you used?
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Jesus Christ,man...He already said it's a drum machime and that he will be re-tracking it. He's looking for opinions on the "arrangement". He doesn't need anyone to tell him about the drum machine sound and the "out of style reverb"...or the "big muff". And there is no "I have become undone". anywhere in the song....I don't think Mr. Finster needs me you or anyone else to tell what pedal to use...get a life.
 
Hey XFinster...have you ever heard of a wah wah pedal??? It's really cool. You press on it with your foot and it makes this weird "wah wah" sound. You should educate yourself and look into it. You might learn something. (Jesus fuck)
 
RAMI said:
Jesus Christ,man...He already said it's a drum machime and that he will be re-tracking it. He's looking for opinions on the "arrangement". He doesn't need anyone to tell him about the drum machine sound and the "out of style reverb"...or the "big muff". And there is no "I have become undone". anywhere in the song....I don't think Mr. Finster needs me you or anyone else to tell what pedal to use...get a life.
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Try reading what i wrote again...i didn´t talk about the drum sound, the part that i was talking about has a close hit hat, and i said instaid try a open hit hat...
RAMI said:
And there is no "I have become undone". anywhere in the song
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Are you listening the same song that i am? if it isn't undone is under? what part you didn't understand? My post was not for you, if you don't like it, don't read it!
pre-production isn´t what the topic says, or did e read rong?"arrangement" is another thing...Do you know what pre prodution is?For your type of conversation, i don´t think so...And there is one thing you're right, i don´t need to spend another minute talking to a guy like you. Learn something that you may thank me latter.
 
You're the one that has no idea what's going on...read the thread. He doesn't need people to tell him about the drum sound and the freaking high hats for the love of God. This is demo. He is looking for ideas on the arrangement and the parts. You're telling him what pedals to play....You're a joke. I have nothing to learn from you...Other than, how NOT to sound like a pompous idiot.
 
Thanks for the comments.

I like the idea of chiling back the snare hits.

It seemed a bit busy to me too.

The dynamics of the song will be interpereted by the mixer really (me)

But this thread is not about mixing, and im certainly not shooting for THE MIX with this one, just production notes.

The guitars are direct through Amplitube.

Oh and BTW, that "ReverB is so00 OUt of StYle" comment....

Pretty funny!

Reverb not in style........LMao!!!

:rolleyes: Oh my gawd dude early reflections are s00 out this year :rolleyes: :D

-Finster
 
RAMI said:
You're the one that has no idea what's going on...read the thread. He doesn't need people to tell him about the drum sound and the freaking high hats for the love of God. This is demo. He is looking for ideas on the arrangement and the parts. You're telling him what pedals to play....You're a joke. I have nothing to learn from you...Other than, how NOT to sound like a pompous idiot.
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Go get a girlfriend...
 
I'm late chiming in and I haven't read all of the posts...

FWIW...

pretty nice production so far... the instruments fit very well together and she's got a great voice... enjoyable and pleasant

the mix seems a tad (very small tad) dull but the overall mix levels felt comfortable...

it also seems to be thick around 200Hz... thinning this some may help my dull perception... I bet a low Q 1/2db or even 1/4db reduction around 200hz and and an associated boost around 3200hz may help...

good job chris

cheers,
-keith-
 
xfinsterx said:
Thanks for the comments.

I like the idea of chiling back the snare hits.

It seemed a bit busy to me too.

The dynamics of the song will be interpereted by the mixer really (me)

But this thread is not about mixing, and im certainly not shooting for THE MIX with this one, just production notes.

The guitars are direct through Amplitube.

Oh and BTW, that "ReverB is so00 OUt of StYle" comment....

Pretty funny!

Reverb not in style........LMao!!!

:rolleyes: Oh my gawd dude early reflections are s00 out this year :rolleyes: :D

-Finster
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This are my opinions, and just use what you like...if you don´t like it, don't use it! ;)
The reverb comment i wanted to say something else, but my english is not the best, and that was thew closest thing i knew to say what i wanted to say...lets put it this way, i don't like it, but if you do, that's fine!
I wanted to say something else but nevermind, do what you like!

Cheers
 
I like both versions. Great song!
I agree about the snare comment during the vrs.
I'll throw out some ideas on production:
To me the chorus doesn't "hit" me like I know it could. During the actual tracking you may try really "tightening" the gits down to make a bigger impact. Does that make sense?
The gits during the vrs are (to me) a little distracting from the singer. During the chorus, they compliment and make an impact (also see above) but during the vrs it seems very busy. Sounds like alot of struming on some humbuckers. Maybe try a little slower on a single coil? Im not sure if picking it out would help or hurt. I am wanting to hear a less driving rhythm and more confliction from the singer I guess.

Ok, I'm done babbling. :D
 
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Don't worry about it. There's a whole lot of babbling going on in this thread. Myself included.
 
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