Need some advice on a pre-production

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This recording is a pre production for a song thatll be tracked here ina couple of weeks.

I wrote and produced the material for this one.

Its a drum machine, (yes there will be a real drummer on the full track), vox, guitar, and bass, in the alt/rock genre.

Now i know everyones got a different idea of how a song should go.

So gimme your opinions on what it needs, or if it dosent need anything tell me so.

I still plan to put some scream vox in the "i have become" section to give it more interest. But ill do that when we actually track the tune.

Thanks in advance for any opinions. :)

-Finster

 
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Going into the heavy parts (33 secs) i would add some sort of maybe backwards reverb or guitar feedback increasing in volume or maybe a bit less cheezy than the feedback idea a synth effect getting louder towards the chorus.
Layers of vocals on the "i have become" part like panned in the back ground sounding like delays but actaul diferent vocal takes. This would sound cool Finster. You could fade them in and out to give a sense of depth.

Make the choruses alot more impacted than this version.

Nice tune by the way. Some nice riffs dude.
 
ecktronic said:
Going into the heavy parts (33 secs) i would add some sort of maybe backwards reverb or guitar feedback increasing in volume or maybe a bit less cheezy than the feedback idea a synth effect getting louder towards the chorus.
Layers of vocals on the "i have become" part like panned in the back ground sounding like delays but actaul diferent vocal takes. This would sound cool Finster. You could fade them in and out to give a sense of depth.

Make the choruses alot more impacted than this version.

Nice tune by the way. Some nice riffs dude.
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I took notes on your comments Eck.
Thanks man.

-Finster
 
i have no advice for the master! looking forward to hearing the final version :D
I absolutly love the guitars sound man
 
Not much to change there...Of course real drums will make the changes more apparent with the crashes and all. I can't quite put my finger on it, but it seems the bass can be a little bouncier in the verses, if that can be done without getting too busy.

In the "I have become" part, (bear with me, I'm a drummer so I might be getting to specific) the snare is playing on the "3", giving it a half time feel, which is cool. What I personally would do is hit the snare on the 4th 16th note of the "1". 1-ee-and-"UH", giving it sort of a funky half time feel. But I'm really nitpicking now.

Awesome tune besides that.
 
i'd approach the bass differently if it was up to me
(i am, for the record, a better then average bass player)
i think the vrse part should be less complicated
you can accomplish thoes rifs with about half the notes your useing (even the solo) and it will support the git more.

thare is a way to make the bass stick out in the lower mids more, and less in the 1k ish region. i guess what i'm trying to say is warmer, less dependent on the pick noise for presence.

every git sound i hear from you is better than the last.
more gits in the final, at least 8 if it's possible.

love the kit :D

i'd try to write another part for the chorous (a minor one, to be used in addition to whats thare)
the kit will help with this, but i'm just not getting the lift i'm looking fore out of the chorous. maby just one more part. for tension. what it is, i don't know.

good as always.
 
Complex and interesting song. Hot guitar and vocal. I recognize the voice... tell her great job. I like the feel and intensity of the drum track.

Some initial thoughts... During the first 19 seconds the vocal is a bit hidden by the gtr, which could be lower in volume to my ear. When the higher range gtr comes in at :52, I'd like to hear it more - it's also hidden by the lower gtr IMO. At 1:55 the gtr/vocal combination is very effective. Good arranging there. At 3:40 where the lyrics start to repeat the "I have become undone" phrase for the final time, I’m imagining an added higher gtr part getting progressively more frenetic with each repetition.

Cool song Chris.

Tim
 
awesome guys, me and the singer are sitting here reading this, great comments.

Please keep em coming, and thank you.
 
Chopped up

Ok so heres the revision ive conjured up.

Thoughts?



-Finster
 
I like the first version better. It sets up the whole darkness mood of the song. The bass problem I think will be cleared up when you add a real drummer, I see it more as a percussion problem because it's just a little loose on the low end. Good job
 
Like the second version how the drums arent there for the intro. Should give it more punchy impact when it kicks in, in the finished mix.
Dont think the guitars sound as good as your usuall guitar sounds. Kinda dead sounding.

Cool screaming stuff at the "i have become" bit, nice touch.
I would automate the reverb tails on the vox, the bit at 2:26 so it is a bit less.
Looking forward to hearing the final mix.
 
it's "warmer" than the first one, but i'm missing some of the hi end that has been removed from the gits

thier is actually less in the sub-bass area, i miss that a little too

really, the new one sounds a little warmer or fuller (can't really put my finger on the over all differance) but it misses all the good things from the first.
 
YEAH. :) I like the 2nd version. But I miss the complexity of the 2nd guitar in the intro and think it'd sound good in there but at a low level.

Tim
 
I guess I misunderstood. I had no idea you wanted suggestions on the "sound" (high end, low end, etc...). I figured that since you made it clear you will be re-tracking the drums and other things, you just wanted suggestions more on arrangement and parts. I like both arrangements.

I would say that the second one has more dynamics to it, because of the mellower verse. But the first one has more energy. I guess it all comes down to what you want from it. The second one is less original, in my opinion, because it seems that every female vocalist starts out songs almost acoustically and gets heavy later in the tune these days.

Still don't like the drumming in the "I have become" part, but that's just me. And those toms better have more balls in the final mix. I'm sure they will.

Beautiful voice.
 
giraffe said:
it's "warmer" than the first one, but i'm missing some of the hi end that has been removed from the gits

thier is actually less in the sub-bass area, i miss that a little too

really, the new one sounds a little warmer or fuller (can't really put my finger on the over all differance) but it misses all the good things from the first.
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I understand what you mean, but look this is pre-pro...
The guits are di with a drum machine....

So i appriciate the mix comments but....

THIS IS NOT ABOUT "the mix".

Its about "THE SONG".
 
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Thanks for the ideas everyone, it all helps!
I appriciate it!! :D

-Finster
 
RAMI said:
I guess I misunderstood..
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No no you had it correst Rami, i want song arrangement advice.opinions.

I could give a rats ass about the mix.

Its a drum machine FOR CHRISESAKE! :rolleyes: :p
 
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