need microphone equiptment help?

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Hello all i am new here!!! first i would like to take a minute to tell you what i have. This is so you get to know my equiptment and to get the piont across that space is limited.
I am an underground cartoon maker. I think this site is geared more towards music but i am hoping you will take the time to give me help. I just completed my sound proof room this month. I put about $6,000 into the room and equiptment so far. The room is 6ft wide, 5ft deep, and 8ft tall. I made the walls 10inches thick with various materials and acoustical baffles. The desk is set up 30in tall and raps around half the room. Since this is air tight i needed to build a fresh air flow system. I boxed off the left and right side. I used 3in duct work with a 50cfm fan to draw air from the left side to the right. So all of the floor space below the desk is taken up. On the desk i have the following:
1) off to the right i have an advertec laptop with 512mb, 60gb hard drive. Its small and i use it for music and internet searching.
2)A Polaroid 26 inch LCD high def monitor sits in the middle of the desk.
3) In front of the monitor is my logitech wireless mouse and key.
4) Off to the sides of the monitor i have klipsch promedia 2.1 sound system (the subs by my feet).
5) To the left i have my SONY VAIO dual processor 820(pentium D) with 1gb ddr ram and 250gb hard drive. I USE THIS FOR CARTOONS ONLY! I use the laptop for everything else. I do this because I need every bit of the hard drive.
6) I also have other things on the desk like 80gb portable usb drives(I take these everywhere i go as a back up) and a few zip drives and printer.

I run the following cartoon making programs: adobe photoshop, toonboom studios, adobe image ready, Adobe after effects 6.5, voice changer 6.0 diamond. I have taken 6 months to write 13 (A full season) 20 min. shows. After i have it made i am going to(outside my room) spend $5,000 on a pro dvd automated production and disk printer. As you can see i am dead serious about making my hobby a profession.

NOW MY QUESTION. I am looking at going with a heil pr40 mic with a pop filter LINK. It is mostly used for radio broadcast(art bell uses it). I found out a long time ago no voice changer program works on a profesional level. Live voices sound crisp and real because they are. I have myself and a few close friends that are going to do the voices over of the cartoon. I have looked at strait usb mic's and did not find anything i wanted to use. I do not know what sound card i have in my vaio. I would rather bypass my comp all together for the recording of the voice. I am sure some of you record your voice on a mic connected to a mixer(or something) then put it into the comp. How do i do it? Can you store recordings into a mixer then transfer it digitaly to the comp? Space is a factor so i cannot buy a huge mixer or what ever i need to turn it into a computer file. I have done some reaserch on how to connect a mic to a comp. the mic must be dynamic since it does not need dc power. Everything i have seen looks jerry rigged and the sound would only be as good as your sound card(if they are even compatible). I would greatly appriciate any help thanks!!!!!!!!
 
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sorry to be a non-search newb jag-bag

Well i am sorry. I did a search and found out i am dumber than i thought. :D :D So its a pre-amp not a mixer i needed. I am thinking of going with the following:
1)PREAMP= m audio dmp3 for $80 at this link(I like the fact its small also)
preamp
2)SOUNDCARD= m-audio audiophile 24/96 for $100 at this link
soundcard
3)MIC=heil pr40 for $325 at this link
mic
4)SHOCK MOUNT= sm-2 spider shock mount for $90 at this link
shock mount
5)BOOM= o.c. white desktop mic arm for $120 at this link
boom
The happiest day of my life is the day i need to buy this
my dream
I added this up to $715. So what do you think? Can i get these cheaper somewhere else? Is this the best possible set up? As you can tell i am a newb, But a fast learning one :D I want to keep it simple but pro, so am i going in the right direction with my pick's? I half to be honest i picked the mic because of its looks. Do you think this is a good mic? Do i need a pop filter for this mic? what cables have i left off my list to buy? Can anyone give me a link to the cables i need for the whole system?

Sorry i have so many questions but this is great i am learning a ton. :D
 
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ONE MORE THING. I am going to have someone better than me install my sound card. If i take it to a shop what is a fair price to put it in for me? :D
 
Thanks kenny. I think i am going to make *ok* picks but i am new so i need the pro's help. If this is the mic i get you just saved me $70.
 
The preamp link you posted is for the Audio Buddy, a much cheaper and smaller version of the DMP3. The DMP3 costs about 150 dollars, but is worth every penny. I'd go for that one or the VTB1.
 
I found a link for it here.
preamp
It's bigger than the other one but looks like a more long tearm use unit. thanks i will put it on my list.
 
Before you spend that kind of money on a mic, why not take the two hour drive to Bob Heil's place, and try all the different models he makes? Tell him hi from Harvey Gerst (from the old Acoustic Control days). Hell, he'll probably install your sound card in your computer for free, and he might have some "B" stock there. Bob is a hell of a nice guy.
 
Where is bob located at? You know i just want people to respect my studio. I want it to be pro quality sound. I dont need the best just something that sounds very good. You ever see a cartoon on tv with bad recording voice over NO because they dont make it to tv. See where i am going with this. I am not trying to be arrogant or rich i just trying to keep up.
 
WOW!! I checked out your public profile homepage ITR studio and i was :eek: I am going to take your advice for sure. I looked up bob heil and found his number to his place. I will give hime a call next week. Your public profile even showed me what thread you were looking at ;) I subscribed to that thread on the first page. I am a hell of a guy 2. I will tell him you said hi from old acoustic control days. I want to thank you for answering my post. Your a level 10 and i am a 1. Most level 10's only answer level 8 or above questions because they get tired of saying the same thing over and over. Thanks for taking the time.
 
update.

Well i just got done reading Robert Rodriguez "Rebel Without a Crew". It gave me alot of hope. My favorite part of the book: His teacher was going to kick him out because his gpa was low. After begging his teacher he lets him stay. A year later he made his movie, sold it, and had a half a million dollar contract to write 3 more movies. He later goes back to his teacher and tells him all of the things that he has done he says " I just came back to tell you that what if you had kicked me out, you weild the power of god by deciding the future of others. I just wanted you to know how important your choices are".

So what have i been doing for the last 6 months? Studying. lots and lots of it. I got a lot of insperation from you harvey gerst, thank you. I have read every post you have put on here. I used notepad to cut copy past things i could use for voice over. Then i combined them into one file. I even have a copy of your 84 page mic chat saved as an icon on my desk. This friday i will be ordering 2 of your MoreMe Headphones. I will also be building my own phantom power. You also taught me price and quality are not the same thing.
I have thrown out my illigal software. Now i only have: Audacity, Reaper, and Kristal for recording and photoshop elements 4.0,corel painter 3.0,nik efex pro 2.0 for my cartoon(they came as a bundle with my wacom intos pad). Hopefuly good karma pays off and i learn to use these tools well. I am not a theif in real life so why should i think its ok. Its still screwing the people who put their heart soul and time into making the program(they deserve to get paid for their hard work). Next time one of my friends tells me he has a program for me i will tell him to keep it "if i didnt earn it will not help me". I have also been busy learning about computers. My first post i needed help on my sound card install. Now i have built my first computer :) and i am in the process of building my second. I have read books on hoew to build home studio's, editing, photoshop, cinematography, you name it as long as it has something to do with making a cartoon i try to get my hands on it. Since i will have many people in my cartoon i will get a few mics. Used Sure sm58 and 57's for starters. I am going to need a few since i will have many people in my cartoon. I still am going to go see Bob to get fitted for a mic. I just wanted to be more educated before i did.(This kind of goes with your rent a studio that you wrote for rec.audio.pro FAQ). Bob has a good ear and i have a bad voice.(I did a little reasearch on bob too.) You seem alot like me. I dont know how you do it putting up with all the drama that comes from tring to get metal and rap to hold hands in here without blowing up. You always stay on topic with great help to all. I do not have knowledge to give back so i try to give back self esteem because you deserve it. I would love it if you sent me a photo of yourself signed "good luck on your cartoon" with my headphone order. I would be proud to hang it in my studio. Give yourself a pat on the back you deserve it.
Thank you,
Robert A Anderson
 
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Im an amateur musician but this http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Lexicon-Lambda-USB-Audio-Interface?sku=245506
has made my recordings alot better, and im not even using a mic yet. I connect a multi effects pedal directly to it. My friend on the other hand has a decent mic and his recordings are amazing with this thing. This comes with a preamp and recording software and it really makes the recordings crips and clean. The preamp also gives it a warm sound.
this is the mic he used
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/prod...argeDiaphragm-Condenser-Microphone?sku=271243
ofcourse you can afford alot more but i just wanted to let you know that this baby can record vocals pretty well.
 
I am not rich. the $6000 i said in my first post included a lot of stuff i dont even have anymore.

lol! Thank you. i say "lol" because i have probably spent more time on music friends than i have on sleep in the past month. I have several wish list pages set up in my favs. I add them to the view cart list. This is the second best selling mic on their. I had already read all the reviews(a few times). People only seemed to not like the shock mount on it. $150 isnt a bad price but i refuse to buy new. I take what i learn and recheck the price on e-bay. This friday i get to start dreaming and start recording. I have $1500 cash set aside for recording. I am going to try to meet up with Bob and get his final input. i will call him to see if he will do lunch(on me of course) and share some knowledge. This has got to buy my mic, cords, pop ,stands, midi controler keyboard, headphones, etc..etc...etc...... so i need to spend my money right the first time(hence 6 months of research).
 
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wow your dedicated! how do you live and eat throughout all this?!
 
undergroundtoon said:
I still am going to go see Bob to get fitted for a mic. I just wanted to be more educated before i did.(This kind of goes with your rent a studio that you wrote for rec.audio.pro FAQ). Bob has a good ear and i have a bad voice.(I did a little reasearch on bob too.) You seem alot like me. I dont know how you do it putting up with all the drama that comes from tring to get metal and rap to hold hands in here without blowing up. You always stay on topic with great help to all. I do not have knowledge to give back so i try to give back self esteem because you deserve it. I would love it if you sent me a photo of yourself signed "good luck on your cartoon" with my headphone order. I would be proud to hang it in my studio. Give yourself a pat on the back you deserve it.



Sounds like someone's got himself a man-crush.

:D
 
chessrock said:
Sounds like someone's got himself a man-crush.

:D


I dont know why you posted to this. Where you hoping maby i would see all of your post and rep power and start worshiping you. Actions speak louder than words. I looked thru all of your post that you have ever done in here. You should go back thru all your post to see how you come off. I got harvey over here teaching me things and i got you over here poking fun at me. I am not saying you are not smart or do not know your stuff. I am saying your contribution to this site comes off like you are better than everyone else. You know how many times in your post you call people an idiot or dumb ass. Here is what i got from you.

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1) " it's just mics. You make noise in front of them, and some approximation of that noise comes out the other end. Some perspective might be in order."

2)"Shut up, Loader. Can I call you Loader? Quit while you're ahead. "

3)"If he is, indeed, the 12 year old ... then at least he'd be a step or two above all the dipshits on this board asking what the difference is between an SM57 and a 58"

4)"I normally don't like helping out people who act like idiots on the mic forum. But then again, everyone acts like idiots on the mic forum. So I'll cut you a break and throw you a bone "

5)"Why is it that any thread that even vaguely mentions Studio Projects just seems to attract this massive horde of idiots on parade?'

6)"Recordingpro ... unfortunately, there's not a lot of intelligent life around these parts, as you're quickly finding out. Getting positive rep from some of these ass clowns"

7)"Do you want a mic, or do you want a good recording? Jesus Christ. If it's just a mic you're looking for, then rent it or something"
Dumbass."

Ok, i am done. This was all in the first 4 pages of your personal post. You going to publish all of this great knowledge in a book someday. After reading your post : I picture you as an angry drunk standing in the corner (swaying back and forth with a cigarette hanging out of your mouth) yelling "what the fuck are you looking at". :cool: Not the truth just my first impression. Its easy to tear people down isnt it. Its a shame you have so little to give back. I dont want to burn bridges with you, but I am not going to put up with you calling me a homo. Its a small world. I go up to downers grove twice a week. Hell i might have even asked to come by and see your studio and pick your brain if you had posted something nice. Anyway good luck to you and your studio Moon Unit Sound . I wish you the best keith.
 
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Serious question, underground: Are you on meth? Or are you just naturally bi-polar?
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hahahaha thats funny... underground thats pretty awesome
 
and what does he do. he gives us line 8).That was your last chance. lifes to short. you waste my time. I put you on ignore.

goodbye
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