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Joel Hamilton said:
yes, yes, but how?????
yes, yes, but how?????
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KonradG
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Robert D said:
No.
Im not asking you AND im not looking for your opinion. But thanks for your concern. If you were Bluebear or someone like that, thats who i was directing my question towards, as clearly stated in my previous post. Try reading what i typed instead of getting mad and giving neg reps for directing my question towards a certain group in the forum. Im sorry if i offended your hobby.
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corban
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You clearly stated you were directing your question to Blue Bear? Where?
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Robert D
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KonradG said:
Konrad - Try putting down your crack pipe long enough to read your own post. You quoted me, which usually means you are responding to the person you quoted. You mentioned nothing about "Blue Bear, or someone like that". Having re-read your post now, and now knowing what an arrogant arse you are, I see what your arrogant post was really saying. I simply gave you too much credit the first time around, not catching your foul smell.
For the record, I've never given anyone bad rep points, though you're now the first to ever make me consider it. Also for the record, I wasn't mad at all....am now though. And finally for the record, I have been an audio professional for decades, though I officially gave it up for more profitable endeavours. So take your crack smokin arrogant attitude and go fly a kite.
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KonradG said:
well its my thread and my opinion and I was asked. I simply don't have the time to record other people. there are tons of studios that will take any band no matter how much they suck and some of them are pretty good. most people who ask me to record them I tell they are better off at those places, and they are. Part of this is that this particular band has heard my stuff and is going to be happy with my production. recording somebody I don't know very well would be too much pressure to produce a good product that I am not confident I can create. I am doing this one for myself. I am sorry if that offends your sense of what is and what should be, but this time you'll have to let it slide, or take this to another thread, because its simply not relevant to this discussion. If I could delete posts in this thread I would.
I went ahead and ordered two of those DI boxes, and a new mixing console (YES). I would really like some insight into how to get this wide open snare sound, and also how to get that "the band overloaded the studio" sound as well. And I am confused about the DI in general...isn't it supposed to convert instrument level to line level, by matching impedences, or something like that? I am assuming the synth output will already be at line level, so I need the DI to get it to isntrument level before the amp? is this correct? very confused.
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Adam P
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You might as well try the MS configuration if you've got the channels. If stereo doesn't work for it you can always just throw out the side mic and use the mono Mid track.
You could try running the vocals through a tube guitar amp and micing that up...I've seen pictures of Albini doing that with an RE20 into (I think) a Fender Twin and then micing the amp with an M201 with a plastic cup taped around the mic. Could give you a low-fi overdriven vocal sound.
Maybe distorting the synth with several layers of compression and placing that under the original synth track.
Is this band supposed to sound "dancey" at all, or just flat out noisy? If its just noisey you might want to try a kick mic that doesn't have a whole lot of low end, something non-traditional.
I guess what I would do would just be to get as much tracked and then see what I could do with it.
You could try running the vocals through a tube guitar amp and micing that up...I've seen pictures of Albini doing that with an RE20 into (I think) a Fender Twin and then micing the amp with an M201 with a plastic cup taped around the mic. Could give you a low-fi overdriven vocal sound.
Maybe distorting the synth with several layers of compression and placing that under the original synth track.
Is this band supposed to sound "dancey" at all, or just flat out noisy? If its just noisey you might want to try a kick mic that doesn't have a whole lot of low end, something non-traditional.
I guess what I would do would just be to get as much tracked and then see what I could do with it.
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hell no its not dancey. its like a power drill going through your skull. aah! the drums are almost like hardcore jungle...the snare and bass drum are very hit heavy.
ssscientist
Info you can use...
FALKEN said:
Looks like you opened up the proverbial Pandora's Box Falken --- a box that had a million, billion opinions and OT side arguments. If you want good, controllable distortion go find some distortion plugins at KVR audio. There are a whole bunch of free ones there, and some of my favorites are Voxengeo's Boogiex, Noisware's TriDirt, buzzroom's Buz and octBuz, BetaBugs Chorrosive and on and on and on and on. Amp simulators are especially good because they give you everything from just a little grind to a flat out coffee enema...
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Joel Hamilton
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FALKEN said:
To the best of your ability. If I am doing a record, that is all I do.
I hate to sound all Zen about it: but for real. Have fun, make it fun for them. They will remember it in a positive light if you are fun to be around and you make it fun to record. I can almost guarantee that.
Any time I have been having fun with people, in the studio, it seems like we dont even talk about when the tape machine freaked out, or when the mic fell, or something screwed up.... blah blah.... in the end: we are people.
Do the best you can and have fun. You know the genre. Go for it. Make it sound good, and enjoy!
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KonradG
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people such as blue bear. people who conduct a studio professionally and bring in musicians on a frequent basis.corban said:
if you actually read the post, i stated that i would appreciate getting an opinion from someone who did this professionally. So i think now is a good time to read the post again and realize how fucking stupid you are for trying to bitch at me about exactly who i was directing my question to.
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KonradG
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Robert D said:
Ok, maybe now that i put my question further down on the thread you can read it again.... can you see it now?
-I wasn't asking you
-I wasn't attempting to offend your hobby (which is clear to me now that you are rather insecure about)
-You're a little bitch
Ill leave the key ideas at three, because it seems to me that you lose your attention span after a couple sentences.
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KonradG
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thank you for your input. atleast you provided a small amount of information instead of taking offense to the title "home-recorder". Tough shit you cant delete posts. lolFALKEN said:
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KonradG said:
whatever kiss my ass. you now have 6 posts in this thread without any help whatsoever. how bout less bitching and more advice.
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Robert D
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Dear Konrad -
I just read about you in the New England Journal of Medicine, and I must say that I now sympathize with you. How terrible it must be for you...the trauma of being born without a penis. No wonder you can't get along with others, something you've struggled with all your life I'm sure.
Good luck,
RD
I just read about you in the New England Journal of Medicine, and I must say that I now sympathize with you. How terrible it must be for you...the trauma of being born without a penis. No wonder you can't get along with others, something you've struggled with all your life I'm sure.
Good luck,
RD
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KonradG
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Your mom!Robert D said:
[sorry, conversations like these take me back to the playground days]
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Robert D
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KonradG said:
Naw, she didn't have one either.
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corban
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Konrad, I was arguing over semantics, since your statements were anything but "clear." The only reason I would bring stoop to something like that is because I was annoyed at your bitchy attitude in the previous post. I'm going to assume you're the one who gave me negative rep and called me a fucking idiot. If that's the case, I feel sorry for you.
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well since this thread was brought back I figured I would post on how it went. this guy had just about the worst drumset I have ever seen. ever. the bass drum did not have legs; he had to prop it up on cynder blocks just to keep it from rolling over. for a drum throne he sat on a milk crate; I tryed playing the set that way and it was nearly impossible. I don't know how he does it. the low tom was missing the bottom rim and it just sat on the floor - no legs either. the high tom sat on the bass drum, and he only had one cymbal, which he beat to death. the snare was metal; I'm never recording with a metal snare ever again if I can avoid it. god his kit sounded bad. the worst part is that most of his playing consists of thes tom rolls...which he played at a pretty low volume, compared to the snare cracks...so on the tom mics the snare is louder than the toms. arrgh. we moved the drum mics around for 2 hours and still couldn't capture everything he was playing. it was ridiculous.
everything that could have gone wrong in a session went wrong.
first the amps were making this awful hum, I think from his distortion pedal, so we had to go direct with the synth. which actually sounds pretty good. but the headphone amp started smoking before we even started laying down tracks...I had to send the headphone mixes out of the auxes on the board so they were only in 1 ear and low volume at that. great. did I mention that the drumming was incredibly sloppy? fortunately they were usually happy with the first take. it was funny; if the synth player missed the smallest articulation they wanted to redo the track, but the drums are off frigging everywhere. whatever.
I recorded everything through the board. no compression or nothing. I am basically going to bus everything but the bass drum and the cymbal to a limiter and compress the living jeebus out of it; maybe the tom rolls will come back. also probably double that bus through a guitar amp for more compression. everything was initially tracked "natural" sounding. I am considering running the synth through my bass amp to add some subharmonics to it....
overall, it could have been worse. the mix isn't as bad as the playing; and after I do everything I was planning, it might sound pretty good.
everything that could have gone wrong in a session went wrong.
first the amps were making this awful hum, I think from his distortion pedal, so we had to go direct with the synth. which actually sounds pretty good. but the headphone amp started smoking before we even started laying down tracks...I had to send the headphone mixes out of the auxes on the board so they were only in 1 ear and low volume at that. great. did I mention that the drumming was incredibly sloppy? fortunately they were usually happy with the first take. it was funny; if the synth player missed the smallest articulation they wanted to redo the track, but the drums are off frigging everywhere. whatever.
I recorded everything through the board. no compression or nothing. I am basically going to bus everything but the bass drum and the cymbal to a limiter and compress the living jeebus out of it; maybe the tom rolls will come back. also probably double that bus through a guitar amp for more compression. everything was initially tracked "natural" sounding. I am considering running the synth through my bass amp to add some subharmonics to it....
overall, it could have been worse. the mix isn't as bad as the playing; and after I do everything I was planning, it might sound pretty good.
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corban
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That drum kit is pretty ghetto. They should go far with street cred like that. 
