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Hello everyone,
I have been trying to decide on a good setup for under $6,000 for the longest time... and now I finally have what I think will be a pretty good setup. The only thing that I didn't include in the list below is mic stands. If anyone has any suggestions or notices anything essential to a studio that I don't have on my list, please let me know. I have an eight piece drum kit so I chose the mics that I thought would handle the job the best for the lowest price (a samson mic between every two toms.)

Roland VS-1880 - $2199.99
Mackie 1604-VLZ PRO Mixer - $979.99
Alesis M1 Powered Monitors - $499.99
Shure SM-57 (3) - $239.97
Audio Technica AT4041 (2) - $599.98
Samson Q3 Drum Mic (3) - 299.97
AKG D112 (2) - $439.98
Groove Tube AM11 - $379.99

Total: $5639.86

Thanks!
-Ryan

p.s.: also, if anyone uses the 1880 please give me info on your setup and how you like it.. pictures would be great too!
 
Ok...I'm going to try to help you out a little. Before I do, I want to make perfectly clear that what I'm doing here is giving you OPTIONS based on what information I've picked up from this site. There will no doubt be several people who think I'm full of crap...everyone has their own setup that they like and their own fantasy gear that they lust after. This is nothing more than a fairly accurate gauge of what people around here think about gear. I may have forgotten something here or there too.

One more thing...I'm also trying to save you some cash here and there to help you out too. Here we go!

Roland VS-1880: I'm not very familiar with the V-Studio stuff. A lot of people swear by them, but a lot of the pros and semi-pros think they're junk. For the money, you could invest in a really nice (read kick ass) hard disk recording setup assuming you have a decent computer already. This money could be better spent elsewhere in your budget in my opinion.

Mackie: I have a Mackie and I love it. Not everyone does. Some feel the preamps are a little sterile. You might want to consider something from the Soundcraft brand. They have extremely nice sounding preamps. This is a judgement call though, go listen to this stuff for yourself before you purchase ANYTHING!

Alesis Monitors: Don't buy them. Spend a little extra cash and buy something from Event. This is another really subjective area, but you will not be disappointed with Event monitors. You can get yourself into a pair of powered biamped Event PS6's for about $60 more. Go listen to everything!

Shure 57's: They sound great on just about everything. This is one of the most important piece of "budget" gear you'll find. Make no mistake, this is pro gear. You can use these to mic your toms, snare, guitar cabs...very versitile mic. To hear what these mics can do on toms, I suggest listening to anything from Emeric (go to the MP3 Mixing forum).

AT 4041: I personally don't have any experience with this particular mic. For a small diaphram condenser, most folks around here either go with the venerable AKG C1000s, or the Oktava MC-012 (only order these from the Soundroom) These things sound great. The Soundroom tests these things to make sure they meet their high standard. I have heard good things about the 4041, so you are probably safe. Also look into the Crown CM-700. These are really nice mics as well.

Samson Q3: Why? I'm not sure what you'd be buying these for. You might as well throw some 57's on your toms and be done with it. You also might want to look into the Sennheiser E-604 mics. These are pretty nice sounding. Go listen to them! Personally, I'd beware of Samson anything. This is just a personal preference, for what that's worth.

AKG D112: I don't know why you want two of these, but they are highly recommended as kick mics. You might also want to look into the Sennheiser 421 or the ATM25 or the RE20. Any of these mics sound great and you won't be disappointed.

Groove Tube: I've heard people express their disappointment with Groove Tubes since Alesis bought the company. Is this unfounded criticism? Maybe. I think for the cash you could get yourself into large diaphram condenser mic that can match the quality and perhaps surpass it. Look into the AT 4050, or even the Shure KSM44. Each of these have switchable polar patterns which the AM11 doesn't (at least that I can tell). That's a pretty decent feature. But you should GO LISTEN TO THEM!

Some other things to seriously consider...

If you're going to go with the Mackie, do yourself a favor and buy a decent Preamp. You can go with something as simple as the Tube MP. A lot of folks around here use it and love it. If you want to save an assload of cash on a none switchable pattern mic, you might want to consider the Rode NT1. I think you'd be happier with the AT 4050 for a number of reasons, but you can't argue with the sound these guys get out of the NT1 (listen to Emeric's acoustics for God's sake!).

You'll need a compressor. There are several that you'll be safe with, but the Alesis 3060 is not one of them!

Software. If you go the DAW route, there is a ton of quality recording software to consider. Try demos and go to any demo session at your local gear store. Ask questions and play with the stuff if they let you. I use Cubase and I love it. Some people find it hard to use and opt for Cakewalk. I found that difficult to use. There are a million programs these days, you'll be able to find one that you like.

Extra software...Waves Native Power Pack will knock you down. It sounds great and you WILL be happy with it.

One more thing...buy quality cords. I can't tell you how much of a difference that will make.

That's about all I can think of at this time. I know I'm forgetting a ton of quality gear. Check this stuff out. Ask questions around here and we'll do our best to answer them. Go listen to the stuff at a store and let your ear be your guide (have I mentioned this yet? lol).

Good luck to you! Let us know what you come up with. By all means, when you get something down, let us listen to it.
 
THANK YOU!!!

THANK YOU!!! That helps me a lot... Its people like you who make this BBS kick ass!! Very informative! I can't thank you enough! I'll definitely let you know my decision... and I'll probably post a revised setup sometime soon.

Thanks again,
Ryan
 
You're Welcome!

You have to tell me though...why the two kick mics? Do you play a double kick or something? Why not just get a double bass pedal? Sorry, it's bugging the hell out of me, I HAVE to know!
 
yes, i play double bass... i have a huge kit... i do already have a double bass pedal... on my other kit... haha... i prefer two bass drums for certain things... for two reasons.. 1) it sounds better for fast double bass 2) so i can use my axis a pedals (i love em)... sorry i forgot to answer this before. hope it doesnt bug you anymore... lol

-Ryan
 
Cmiller, you are so full of crap! :D
Just kidding ... I agree with everything he said ...
Let me just echo the concern re compressors though ... You for sure are going to want one or two, preferably with a gates, as well, if you'r gonna record a live kit. Hmmm ... how about reverb/effects?
Oh ... hey ... is all this stuff on-board the VS1880? Probably ... but even so ... I think you'll want dedicated signal processing at some point. I've got onboard comp/gate/etc on my board but find myself wishing I had some outboard gear that would do a better job at it. Even maybe a dedicated mic preamp ... for vocals, if nothing else.
Umm ... mics ... I have Okatavas for overheads ... but I've also used a couple Shure SM81 with great results. I agree with CMiller on the AT4050 ... that is one sweet mic. I haven't used a groove tube mic ... but have heard from a few disappointed people on them. If the 4050 is out of your price range .. check out the 4033 ... it's just as good without the bells and whistles. It's probably even cheaper than the AM11.

OK ... enough about equipment for a second ... let me ask about your room. How big is it? Do you have any plans to soundproof it? Depending on your situation, soundproofing may not be necessary ... but you should really consider treating the acoustics, especially since it seems that you'll be recording a lot of drums. It sounds like you have a nice drum set, and you're picking some pretty decent mics ... it would be a shame to have your sound suffer because of poor acoustic treatment.
It can either be way expensive or pretty reasonable, depending what you do. There was a good thread of a tube trap design from Jon T Gale in this forum a while back. I'm seriously considering outfitting my rooms with a few of these. I'm taking my time to find a cost-effective, non-permanent solution (ok ... really I'm just lazy and procrastinating a lot ;) ) and this tube trap design is the most promising I've seen yet. It'll be hard to get a pro sound without treating the acoustics ... believe me, I know.
Well, it's something to think about, anyway.

Good luck ... keep us posted on what you get!
 
BigK's got a good point. You could always use more comps and gates and pres while you're at it. As far as outboard effects...I'd never discourage it if you can fit it into your budget. It's always nice to have flexibility. I pretty much rely on my computer based effects. There are no rules here, and about a million different opinions and options. The worst part is that by and large no one is incorrect! Knock yourself out!
 
Ryan,
I am in the process of renovating right now and a drummer as well. If I could make just one, well maybe two mic suggestions, they would be Shure Sm-91's (kick) and an AT825 stereo overhead. The Sm-91's are a little pricy, but used with a D112 give you that top end click that a lot of people pull their hair out trying to get. The wonderful AT825 is a stereo condensor. It has 5 pins on the mic, and comes with a cable that splits to two normal xlr's. I just bought a couple of used adats and before I store them for a couple of months, wanted to make sure that they work okay. I work at a pretty major sound company in Toronto, so I just grabbed a bunch of mics to try out while I was at it. And holy shit, the stereo overhead not only picked up my cymbals beautifully, but probably 80% of the toms with a great sound as well. Plus, it put the whole kit in perfect stereo, and because the two heads are fixed, I didn't have to screw around with the angles. I think they are around $700 Canadian. which is pretty fair for two condensors. Thats all, take care, Craig.
 
Hey Craig, thanks for the suggestions, i'll look into that... I'm currently redoing my setup to be more economical... i have decided that i only need 8 input channels to start out with... so what i plan on doing, at first, is focusing primarily on my mics... with that said, i have been seriously looking at the alesis studio pack... yes, i know im probably going to get hell about that... but for the money i have right now.. it seems to be the best choice... any thoughts on that? anyway, as soon as i get another "finalized" list, i'll be sure to post it... thanks again everyone, i am genuinely grateful!!

-Ryan
 
I never realized how down right stupid I was about setting up a recording studio,Equip needs,compressors,effects units,
sound proffing, The whole shot.I've been playing since age
9 guitar,drums,keyboards,and so on
and that was 42 years ago,I've recorded in some top of the line
studios,RCAs studio A & B The Upper Room Stuido.All in Nasville
Tn.Heading West in Chaicago,I thought this doesent look so hard
to set up a studio,man was I wrong
its one thing being musician,plugging in and doing your thing, But now I'm getting into the outher end of recording
and find myself nothing more than a beginner. This will be fun!
prob,learn new curse words and all
Atleast I'm a carpenter,cement finisher, and so on.I see I have lots to learn,
 
Teaching an old dog new tricks

John, I sure hope your right.
I set and read all this equp stuff and I"m completly lost, I have a
388 8track, a 414 porta potty,
Teac for mix down, But man the outher things i will need to go with what i have,compressor, effects unit,patch bay,and on & on
I can just see it, R C will you please shut up asking so many questions?!! OH well we will see
Thanks John for the uplifting words,At the time I'm recuperating
I've had 2 heart attacks this past year,I'm now dealing with 4 bulging disk,& a S I joint prob.
So I'll have alot of time to try to learn,the many things I don"t
know,, Thanks agin
Rusty Coggs
 
ok... here is the revised list... i think i may have overlooked something.. as i usually do...

1 Audio-Technica AT4033 SM Card Studio Mic $349.99
1 AKG D112 Kick Drum Mic $219.99
1 Event PS-6 Project Studio Monitors $549.99
1 Sennheiser E604 Drum Microphone 3-Pack $299.99
1 Joemeek VC3 Pro Channel $299.99
2 Audio-Technica AT4041 Cardioid Mic (overheads) $599.98
1 Alesis ADAT Studio Pack $1499.99
Total $3819.92

as im sure you may notice.. i no longer have 2 akg d112s on my list... the reason being money! i decided that for starters, whenever im using a full kit setup (double bass and all), i'll just trigger the kicks.. besides if i really want to mic them, i can always buy another akg later... also, as far as effects go... i plan on just using what comes with the studio pack (for now)... i know this wont give me the most flexibility effects wise, but hopefully this will give me a good start...

let me know what you guys think,
Ryan
 
Reply to Ryan

Sounds good to me Ryan, But what is it your looking to do? Build studio for self, record for others, whats the game plan?
 
Re: Teaching an old dog new tricks

Rusty Coggs said:
So I'll have alot of time to try to learn,the many things I don"t know,, Thanks agin
Rusty Coggs

No worries mate!!
(he-he, I stole that line from John Sayers AND Crocodile Dundee!!! - just kidding John! :D )

There's plenty of people here who'll help ya out....

Bruce
 
I'd stay away from the adat pack. It's neato and all, you will out grow it in no time.
 
reply to Blue Bare

a thank ya,thank ya very much.
I stole that one from Elvis.
And he cant do nuten about it,
But I'm sure he would'nt mind I
was his biggest fan.
 
What would you recommend?

Thanks for the responses guys... but what would you recommend Wally?... now, to answer Rusty's question.. im just planning on using it to record my band... i dont want any extra stuff that i dont need... i just want to get the best quality recordings for a decent price.... anyway, someone please help me come up with the "final" list (although i know that everyone will have their own opinions)

later!
-Ryan aka Private Killdrums
 
hmmm ... I like your new list. I agree on the studio pack though ... the outboard gear is passable, but entry-level, IMO. But the unbalanced I/O on the LX20 concerns me more. With the level of mics, preamps, etc that you're getting, I think you may regret that unbalanced I/O at some point. You'd be better off getting an XT20 pack (does Alesis even package those?) or having a store put together a similar package for you. Maybe replace the nano-stuff with a Behringer comp and verb and that would be even better. I'm sure someone would do that for you to make the sale. XT20 is quite a bit more than the LX20, but it is worth it if you're looking at using the analog I/O.
Don't get me wrong, the LX20 will sound good ... but will limit your growth somewhere down the line. I have 2 LX20's (so I'm not disparaging the unit at all), but I use the digital I/O exclusively ... and I still think that I might want to upgrade at some point.
I guess it really depends on what you want to do now ... and what you may want to do later. You can always upgrade later ... but remember, swapping out the multitrack and mixer is not a minor upgrade. I like your choice of ADAT over the VS1880, though.
Well, hopefully some of that made sense. :)
Good luck.
 
thanks for the reply BigK! that made perfect sense to me... i'll look into the setup you recommended... if its not too much, i'll go with that... would you still recommend using the studio 24 board though?

thanks!
 
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