My recorded drums What am I doing wrong??

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4 band?? Use it, get familiar with how EQ works, but realize that if you have 8 or 10 you're going to be able to dial it in much better.

Just a small word of advice on EQ... A lot of times a smiley face will work. That is, make the sliders look like a smile. ...in other words, drop the mids. It's not going to work every time, but it will get you comfortable with what EQ does, and a lot of times it's all you need.
 
Sonic clang, we need to work on this together. Your better at wording this than I am. Start out with only the overheads and the kick. Try only one overhead, dead above your head and the kick. Then, add A LITTLE snare, and MAYBE a LITTLE toms. I get great sounding drums from 1 MXL 2001 overhead, sm57 on snare and beta 52 in my kick. The less, the better sometimes. Even weirder, the best mix I HAVE EVER done was last saturday of my band in band practice. We had a big gig on sunday, and we wanted to record everything to see how we sounded, but we didnt want to mic everything. I stuck the MXL2001 on a stand, in the middle of the room, about 2 feet off the ground, and its awsome. Kick sounds strong, snare has a nice sound to it, toms are great, guitars rock and bass is DEEP!
 
I think LRosario summed it up pretty well about how to approach the micing and set up process.

Ultimately everyone is going to come up with a system that they're comfortable with and everyone's system will probably bit a little different than the next. That's the beauty of recording audio, you can approach it from so many angles and as long as it sounds good in the end, who cares how you got it. :)
 
well this is the current state of EQ...and I know this cause Ive seen the scientific results of what occurs to an electric impluse.


In the electronic engineering world, they have what they call an oscilloscope. It's VERY good that you know and understand why to use one.

Whenever you have ANYTHING that works on a signal in different bands, you always have to be concerned with phase shift.

Think of it as kind of a sonic derailing of frequencies...we all know what a derailed train looks like.

So you could think of an inexpensive EQ as a weak rail. (I dont know if thats the best comparison, but I'm much better at visualizing it than explaining it.)

Whenever you deal with inexpensive EQs of either an analog or digital medium, you will run into those problems. But not to worry! That's actually a good thing (to me), cause honestly, I'd avoid EQ all the way around. In tracking and in mixing. I know that concept sounds horrible, but it's what I swear by.

But of course, you have the EQ there, so no one can tell you not to use it.

I learned that from a guy by the name of Rupert Neve. I never met him directly, but the man who did had that advice for me.

He said, "keep the sound pure".


Besides, I'm going to tell you a little secret on the historic use of EQ.

Ever hear about "british EQs"? Well the way I understand it, British engineers historically tend to EQ things more than American engineers do. So the need for better EQing was always in demand.

I don't know that part for a fact, but I can see where the high standard of EQ design comes from.

So I'd say, if you want to EQ something, try different mic placement or treatment to the source.

:)
 
Thanks alot for the help guys,I got another clip now it's called drums sound check2.What I did on this one is put some of your guys comments to use, so I moved my overheads a bit closer and turned them up and turned down my specific mics,I also aimed the mics to the middle of the drum heads.Now theres still a few problems that im having 1 is that my snare sounds so dead on recordings compared to what it sounds like acoustic (it's a pearl free floating snare drum very nice).Also I used a tad bit of EQ and dynamics took ones guys advice of less is more.Also I have a theory on something thats happening and tell me if this makes sence,When im setting my mics and everything getting the volume and EQ all good the whole set sounds kindof hollow but alive in my headphones since I dont have moniters yet,so I add some base mainly to my base drum and it makes it a little better then I master burn it to disk take it up to my house where theres a good stereo system now all of a sudden my base has tons of thump my snare sounds dead.Could this be because im not getting the true sound in my headphones?Could it be the sound was going to be fine but my headphones because of the lack of base it can produce is throwing me off, and making me want to add more base?
If this doesnt make sence let me know,and tell me what you think of the new clip.
 
rimshot86 said:
Thanks alot for the help guys,I got another clip now it's called drums sound check2.What I did on this one is put some of your guys comments to use, so I moved my overheads a bit closer and turned them up and turned down my specific mics,I also aimed the mics to the middle of the drum heads.Now theres still a few problems that im having 1 is that my snare sounds so dead on recordings compared to what it sounds like acoustic (it's a pearl free floating snare drum very nice).Also I used a tad bit of EQ and dynamics took ones guys advice of less is more.Also I have a theory on something thats happening and tell me if this makes sence,When im setting my mics and everything getting the volume and EQ all good the whole set sounds kindof hollow but alive in my headphones since I dont have moniters yet,so I add some base mainly to my base drum and it makes it a little better then I master burn it to disk take it up to my house where theres a good stereo system now all of a sudden my base has tons of thump my snare sounds dead.Could this be because im not getting the true sound in my headphones?Could it be the sound was going to be fine but my headphones because of the lack of base it can produce is throwing me off, and making me want to add more base?
If this doesnt make sence let me know,and tell me what you think of the new clip.

yeah, probably better to show the clip.
 
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crap last one didnt work if this doesnt work just copy and paste.
 
loosen the snares. Take off any muffling on the snare. It might not sound as good TO YOU, but it will record better
 
Ok, I agree, my snare sounds so dry and whats stupid is it sounds nothing like that acoustic its very loud and alive.And as for that link that someone sent I have seen that before and thats what I followed for my overhead placements that article was great.
 
btw, sorry for all the pops and clicks, i had the latency set at 1ms. I usually have it at about 3.5 or 4
 
also the setup for everything is:
Gibson Voo-doo Les Paul into Vintage Traynor mkII 2x12 combo with Marshall 1936 2x12 ext. cab

1952 Gibson Goldtop into 1970's Pro-Reverb

Getty Lee Jazz bass into Agular pre and qsc power into 2 1x12 agular cab's

DW drums (10x8,13x10,14x16,16x18,22x18) Pork Pie 14x6, Paiste Sig Cymbals

pix are from a different song.

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(The Traynor Close Miced last week, this pic is much newer than the rest)
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rinshot, that new sample sounds much better. Snare is still pretty RIGHT THERE. And the bass drum is pretty weak.

LRosario, I don't want to argue with anything you said in your post about EQ, I just want to talk a little about my experience with recording drums. I think everything you just stated is excellent theory, but in the real world, guys like me and most of the guys reading this forum, don't have the best mics out there. I've been using 57's for my kit, including overheads and room mics, for over a year now. To make it sound good, I'm sorry, I just have to EQ each mic until it doesn't suck. If I had listened to advice like yours I never would have gotten a good drum sound. I also don't have a great pre-amp. I'm actually using a 16 channel mixer as my pre-amp. But again, I'm probably more the average guy with some equipment in his basement. And as you're giving more pro advice, I think we should also give the amateur advice. I have to gate my snare and bass drum mic. I've heard gating any drum mic is a no no... but why? If I don't I get a horrible ringing sound out of the snare mic. If I gate it, everything sounds great.

I've been working with a professional producer for a little while now and he can't believe I'm getting such a good sound using SM57's! I had the balls to just play around with the EQ after trying a MILLION different mic positions. It wasn't until I multitracked the drums and played around with effects like EQ, noise gate, compression, and limiting that I started to finally get a good sound.

So guys, if you feel you need to EQ a mic becuase you don't really have the best electronics in the world, go right ahead.
 
I agree with both of you guys I feel that some times you have to EQ and compress,for example im recording in a room thats almost all windows for me to turn up the overheads it has alot of echo and ring so I just compress a tiny bit till that goes away same with EQ.But on the other hand I also agree not to get carried away and also to try your best to get the best natural sound you can without EQ and dynamics.Duo your link isnt working for me.Does anyone have any comments on what I said about headphones and moniters?Like I said base and snare sound completly different in headphones then when I take it up to good stereo system you here ALL the base it has.
 
what headphones are you using?

I have mixed with my Shure e5's, and get great results. I have mixed with both Sony MDR700's and Fostex T-50's and get terrible results. I have mixed on Logitech z-5500 speakers, and get good results. matters on how flat the drivers are.
 
Not sure there not real nice but there alright,I need to slurge and get some good moniters at guitar center...
 
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