My new favorite 'phones for tracking

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Amazon.com: Skullcandy Smokin' Bud Earbuds: Electronics

Seriously.

I've been meaning to give these a try in the studio, since they rule for commuting on the Boston subway because they block out enough outside noise (passively, they're sort of like earplugs with speakers) that compared to stock iPod in-ear 'phones I can cut my listening volume from cranked to maybe a little over halfway and be able to hear comfortably. I figured if sound from outside was having a hard time getting in, then the reverse was probably true, so I tossed 'em in my bag when I went out to my parents for the weekend to record acoustic guitars for this album I'm working on (it's quieter there, and their library has great acoustics).

I was really impressed - even with a couple pretty sensitive LDCs in play, I was getting zero bleed from the bass/drums playback at a comfortable level on the earbuds through the mics. Sure, they're not exactly flat (musical, yes, but not flat) and I wouldn't be caught dead suggesting anyone mix on them, but their rejection is spectacular, way better than the full sized headphones I'd been using previously. And, at less than $30, it's certainly worth a try. :D
 
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Amazon.com: Skullcandy Smokin' Bud Earbuds: Electronics

Seriously.

I've been meaning to give these a try in the studio, since they rule for commuting on the Boston subway because they block out enough outside noise (passively, they're sort of like earplugs with speakers) that compared to stock iPod in-ear 'phones I can cut my listening volume from cranked to maybe a little over halfway and be able to hear comfortably. I figured if sound from outside was having a hard time getting in, then the reverse was probably true, so I tossed 'em in my bag when I went out to my parents for the weekend to record acoustic guitars for this album I'm working on (it's quieter there, and their library has great acoustics).

I was really impressed - even with a couple pretty sensitive LDCs in play, I was getting zero bleed from the bass/drums playback at a comfortable level on the earbuds through the mics. Sure, they're not exactly flat (musical, yes, but not flat) and I wouldn't be caught dead suggesting anyone mix on them, but their rejection is spectacular, way better than the full sized headphones I'd been using previously. And, at less than $30, it's certainly worth a try. :D

Are they comfy? Sometimes the ear buds can get annoying, especially if you're gonna be tracking for a full day. But if they're comfy I'll give em a shot!

Thanks for the tip,
-Barrett
 
Are they comfy? Sometimes the ear buds can get annoying, especially if you're gonna be tracking for a full day. But if they're comfy I'll give em a shot!

Thanks for the tip,
-Barrett

I think so, but I suppose that varies from person to person. Anyway, I had them in for what was probably an 8 hour acoustic tracking session, and the only thing that really hurt at the end of the day was my fingertips. :D
 
I think so, but I suppose that varies from person to person. Anyway, I had them in for what was probably an 8 hour acoustic tracking session, and the only thing that really hurt at the end of the day was my fingertips. :D

Hahah cool, I'll test em out
 
Wow, a good use for skull candy ear phones. Never thought i'd see the day! :p
 
Wow, a good use for skull candy ear phones. Never thought i'd see the day! :p

I actually dig them for general listening, too - for all their flashiness and hype, they're actually pretty musical sounding and again you get that great exterior noise rejection - the Boston T is pretty loud when you're underground, and switching to these from the stock iPod earbuds was the difference between cranking my iPod to hear anything and having the volume a little over half, which is much better for your ears. :)
 
why not use circumaural headphones? woudn't they provide a wider frequency range and still be noise-cancelling?
 
Hey drew YES for the price you just simple can't beat S.C. ear buds!
Use them on drummers with an extra precaution against noise bleed we use a pair of target practice ear muffs that fit over the S.C. buds very comfortably.
You can make drummers ears bleed with his head exploding and get no noise bleed into the over head microphones. :D






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why not use circumaural headphones? woudn't they provide a wider frequency range and still be noise-cancelling?

Well, FWIW, I was surprised to find that these earbuds bled into the mics noticeably less than the AKG set I'd been using previously. Sure, the AKGs were much flatter, but for tracking that's really not much of a concern.

And again, for $30 a set, they're kind of a no brainer - if you're working with a musician on a project you can pretty much just buy them a set of their own and be done with it.

Use them on drummers with an extra precaution against noise bleed we use a pair of target practice ear muffs that fit over the S.C. buds very comfortably.

I'll have to try that. :lol:
 
I use these for tracking and I love em. http://www.itrstudio.com/moreme.html

The earbuds are interesting though. I use a couple of pairs of sony earbuds covered with a pair of industrial earmuffs for tracking drums. For $30 they're worth a shot. I could use some new headphones for my MP3 player anyway.
 
Well, FWIW, I was surprised to find that these earbuds bled into the mics noticeably less than the AKG set I'd been using previously. Sure, the AKGs were much flatter, but for tracking that's really not much of a concern.

And again, for $30 a set, they're kind of a no brainer - if you're working with a musician on a project you can pretty much just buy them a set of their own and be done with it.



I'll have to try that. :lol:

Hopefully with out the exploding head and all of that blood and messy brain tissue every where. :laughings:





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Hey drew YES for the price you just simple can't beet S.C. ear buds!
Use them on drummers with an extra precaution against noise bleed we use a pair of target practice ear muffs that fit over the S.C. buds very comfortably.
You can make drummers ears bleed with his head exploding and get no noise bleed into the over head microphones. :D
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Doing the same sort of thing here, 'cept my choice is Koss Spark Plugs. I use the same set up for tracking, setting up mics in the line of fire.
 
Hope you don't mind a "wet blanket" in here. Was just watching on the news tonight where there has been an alarming increase in the number of young people with hearing problems. Not enough studies yet to identify precise causes, but earbuds were noted as a distinct possibility. An iPhone can reach 105dB!!!!

Given the potential for extreme volumes and long hours in a recording studio, I think the extra money spent for around-ear designs can't be questioned. You can still damage your ears with more expensive ones, but there's a wider margin for error, and the air density between the speakers and your ear canal provides another cushion and measure of protection.

Don't forget that in the studio you're frequently listening to uncompressed signals. You may turn up the volume to hear something at a low level, and then unexpectedly get hit with peaks. (Or, there can be high-frequency signals well beyond limits that you just aren't aware of.) I work with 'phones too, but they're good ones, and I keep the volume low to moderate. Be watchful, too -- I can tell when I've had enough for the day because my ears don't feel right. Walk away!

Protect those inner ears...they're the only ones you got!

-Bruce
 
Just read away and pick your favorite part of the ear!


The inner ear is the innermost part of the vertebrate ear. It consists of the bony labyrinth, a system of passages comprising two main functional parts:

* The cochlea is dedicated to hearing
* The vestibular system is dedicated to balance

The inner ear is found in all vertebrates, with substantial variations in form and function. The inner ear is innervated by the eighth cranial nerve in all vertebrates.


* 1 Divisions of labyrinth
o 1.1 Bony vs. membranous
o 1.2 Vestibular vs. cochlear
* 2 Pathology
* 3 Anatomical details
* 4 Non-humans
o 4.1 The cochlear system
o 4.2 The vestibular system

Divisions of labyrinth

The labyrinth can be divided by layer or by region.
Bony vs. membranous

The bony labyrinth, or osseous labyrinth, is the network of passages with bony walls lined with periosteum. The membranous labyrinth runs inside of the bony labryinth. There is a layer of perilymph fluid between them. The three parts of the bony labyrinth are the vestibule of the ear, the semicircular canals, and the cochlea.
Vestibular vs. cochlear

In the middle ear, the energy of pressure waves is translated into mechanical vibrations. The cochlea propagates these mechanical signals as waves in fluid and membranes, and finally transduces them to nerve impulses which are transmitted to the brain.

The vestibular system is the region of the inner ear where the semicircular canals converge, close to the cochlea. The vestibular system works with the visual system to keep objects in focus when the head is moving. Joint and muscle receptors also are important in maintaining balance. The brain receives, interprets, and processes the information from these systems to control balance.

The vestibular system of the inner ear is responsible for the sensations of balance and motion. It uses the same kinds of fluids and detection cells (hair cells) as the cochlea uses, and sends information to the brain about the attitude, rotation, and linear motion of the head. The type of motion or attitude detected by a hair cell depends on its associated mechanical structures, such as the curved tube of a semicircular canal or the calcium carbonate crystals (otolith) of the saccule and utricle.
Pathology

Interference with or infection of the labyrinth can result in a syndrome of ailments called labyrinthitis. The symptoms of Labyrinthitis include temporary nausea, disorientation, vertigo, and dizziness. Labyrinthitis can be caused by viral infections, bacterial infections, or physical blockage of the inner ear.


Non-humans

Birds have an auditory system similar to that of mammals, including a cochlea. Reptiles, amphibians, and fish do not have cochleas but hear with simpler auditory organs or vestibular organs, which generally detect lower-frequency sounds than the cochlea.
The cochlear system

In reptiles, sound is transmitted to the inner ear by the stapes bone of the middle ear. This is pressed against the oval window, a membrane-covered opening on the surface of vestibule. From here, sound waves are conducted through a short perilymphatic duct to a second opening, the round window, which releases pressure, allowing the fluid to move freely. Running parallel with the perilymphatic duct is a separate blind-ending duct, the lagena, filled with endolymph. The lagena is separated from the perilymphatic duct by a basilar membrane, and contains the sensory hair cells that finally translate the vibrations in the fluid into nerve signals. It is attached at one end to the saccule.

In most reptiles the perilymphatic duct and lagena are relatively short, and the sensory cells are confined to a small basilar papilla lying between them. However, in birds, mammals, and crocodilians, these structures become much larger and somewhat more complicated. In birds, crocodilians, and monotremes, the ducts are simply extended, together forming an elongated, more or less straight, tube. The endolymphatic duct is wrapped in a simple loop around the lagena, with the basilar membrane lying along one side. The first half of the duct is now referred to as the scala vestibuli, while the second half, which includes the basilar membrane, is called the scala tympani. As a result of this increase in length, the basilar membrane and papilla are both extended, with the latter developing into the organ of Corti, while the lagena is now called the cochlear duct. All of these structures together constitute the cochlea.

In mammals (other than monotremes), the cochlea is extended still further, becoming a coiled structure in order to accommodate its length within the head. The organ of Corti also has a more complex structure in mammals than it does in other amniotes.
The arrangement of the inner ear in living amphibians is, in most respects, similar to that of reptiles. However, they often lack a basilar papilla, having instead an entirely separate set of sensory cells at the upper edge of the saccule, referred to as the papilla amphibiorum, which appear to have the same function.
Although many fish are capable of hearing, the lagena is, at best, a short diverticulum of the saccule, and appears to have no role in sensation of sound. Various clusters of hair cells within the inner ear may instead be responsible; for example, bony fish contain a sensory cluster called the macula neglecta in the utricle that may have this function. Although fish have neither an outer nor a middle ear, sound may still be transmitted to the inner ear through the bones of the skull, or by the swim bladder, parts of which often lie close by in the body.
The vestibular system

By comparison with the cochlear system, the vestibular system varies relatively little between the various groups of jawed vertebrates. The central part of the system consists of two chambers, the saccule and utricle, each of which includes one or two small clusters of sensory hair cells. All jawed vertebrates also possess three semicircular canals arising from the utricle, each with an ampulla containing sensory cells at one end.

An endolymphatic duct runs from the saccule up through the head, and ending close to the brain. In cartilaginous fish, this duct actually opens onto the top of the head, and in some teleosts, it is simply blind-ending. In all other species, however, it ends in an endolymphatic sac. In many reptiles, fish, and amphibians this sac may reach considerable size. In amphibians the sacs from either side may fuse into a single structure, which often extends down the length of the body, parallel with the spinal canal.

The primitive lampreys and hagfish, however, have a simpler system. The inner ear in these species consists of a single vestibular chamber, although in lampreys, this is associated with a series of sacs lined by cilia. Lampreys have only two semicircular canals, with the horizontal canal being absent, while hagfish have only a single, vertical, canal.







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Hope you don't mind a "wet blanket" in here. Was just watching on the news tonight where there has been an alarming increase in the number of young people with hearing problems. Not enough studies yet to identify precise causes, but earbuds were noted as a distinct possibility. An iPhone can reach 105dB!!!!

I think the problem is less earbuds specifically, than it is suddenly everyone's walking around listening to music cranked up all the time, further exasperated by the fact that the stock Apple buds suck so badly that you need to crank them to block out outside noise. I don't think good earbuds are any worse (or better, for that matter) than any other headphones - you just need to be careful with the volume.

That said, I tracked some distorted rhythm guitar last night. Two notes, which have tempered my enthusiasm a bit -

1) Really, the cable isn't NEARLY long enough - an extension cable is mandatory.
2.) These are much better at not bleeding into the environment than they are at not letting the environment bleed in, unfortunately. I found myself wishing I was using a full set of phones when I was tracking rhythm parts last night.

So, I think I'll qualify my original recommendation - these things rule and are worth keeping on hand for tracking quiet instruments where bleed from phones is potentially an issue - vocals, acoustic guitars, or other relatively quiet instruments you'd normally put a fairly sensitive mic on. They're less awesome (without some sort of adding outside noise muffling a la what Moresound was proposing) for tracking really loud instruments, where bleed isn't a huge problem anyway.
 
Yeah...it's true a lot more people are listening *with earphones* in general, which could be the major cause of the increased hearing loss...but earbuds CAN be even more dangerous because they fit very snuggly into the ear, and therefore it’s much easier for louder music to cause SPL damage since the sound waves are focused directly/deeply into the ear.
I would be apprehensive about using them for 8-hour clips. I don’t even like using typical studio phones for too long.
 
Yeah...it's true a lot more people are listening *with earphones* in general, which could be the major cause of the increased hearing loss...but earbuds CAN be even more dangerous because they fit very snuggly into the ear, and therefore it’s much easier for louder music to cause SPL damage since the sound waves are focused directly/deeply into the ear.
I would be apprehensive about using them for 8-hour clips. I don’t even like using typical studio phones for too long.

If ambient SPL is high then earbuds/IEMs that isolate like earplugs can allow for lower monitoring levels, saving people's hearing. Consumer earbuds that don't isolate tend to be used at higher volumes to overcome ambient noise.
 
If ambient SPL is high then earbuds/IEMs that isolate like earplugs can allow for lower monitoring levels, saving people's hearing. Consumer earbuds that don't isolate tend to be used at higher volumes to overcome ambient noise.

Actually...earbuds unlike most larger, studio-style headphones provide little or no isolation, therefor most people turn them up louder...hence greater chance of hearing damage/loss.

Just Google "earbud hearing loss"....
 
Actually...earbuds unlike most larger, studio-style headphones provide little or no isolation, therefor most people turn them up louder...hence greater chance of hearing damage/loss.

Just Google "earbud hearing loss"....

There's at least two different types, though.

There's your iPod style:

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...which provide zero isolation.

Then there's the type I posted, which are basically earplugs with little speakers in them. I can listen a LOT lower on these than I can on the open style, and in fact I kind of have to - at work, I can't hear my phone ring at all if I have my iPod up much more than 1/4. They definitely allow me to monitor much more quietly.

Though, again, for louder sources they don't seem to have enough mass to block much out... They definitely are better at high end rejection than low.
 
I hate sounding like a Mother Hen here, but I just wanted to point out one other thing. You mention that you're listening at a much lower volume with your ear buds than your previous phones...but are you measuring this based on an output level on a mixing board, etc.? This may have little relationship to the actual decibels being focused directly into your ear canal, since there is a mere inch or so to your eardrum. In addition, the fact that your ear buds are much better at isolation from outside sources also allows for greater sound pressure levels inside your ear canal. Kinda like putting a cork into your ear and letting the sound waves bounce around.

Food for thought...

-Bruce
 
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