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I'm trying to get more into recording music, mainly because I write a lot of songs and am generally interested in how the music I listen to is produced. I've been using Cakewalk and bits of Cubase for a couple of years actually but what I've always found with computer/software recording is that there are so many different things you can do to your recorded sound, so many plugins and fancy things, that I never know where to start properly to get the best results, and without using things like effects and plugins for the sake of it. Neither am I a fan of computers. I recently got myself a nice basic 4 track cassette recorder because I wanted to start from something very basic (also portable), and the idea being that learning to use the basic things as best as possible would then put me in a good position with regards to knowing what processing to apply to tracks and what exactly to do to various kinds of sounds.
I figured, starting from just a 4 track I'd find out what exactly I needed in a sort of order of importance. The first thing I've found I need is a compressor/compressors (4 would probably be quite complimentary). Also, it seems to be the only thing I've known I should definately be using when using Cakewalk.
What to me seems like a good way to progress with recording is to upgrade my soundcard to something of higher standard than what you get with a typical pc, then mix my 4 track recordings to the computer. I know that it might seem like a daft way of doing things for some one like myself, as all the processings and effects you could ever need are available in software form with unlimitted tracks, but I'd like to go about learning on hardware. With software it's always a case of selecting a certain preset and there we go - I don't feel like this is really learning how to engineer sound and produce a recording.
I've recently found on a couple of websites a compressor unit by TFPro called the P5. This has 3 mono and 1 stereo channel and seems to be a really good buy. I also figured the stereo channel could be used for mastering?
Anyways, simply, this is the plan that's been running around my head > get a compressor, get a new sound card, then figure out what it is that I most need next.
Does this seem like an idea that will work? Or is there some flaw in it that I've failed to realise. I know hardware is a more expensive way about things but I'm a student and have a loan and would rather not spend it all on beer and such things :) . This would effectively give me the beginings of my own studio setup that I don't mind building up over X number of years; it seems to me like I'd be able to learn the most this way, even if it takes some time.
What do people think?
Thanks very much
Jason
 
Being a student you might want to hold on to your cash for awhile and just keep working with your 4 track until you can produce a good sound. Your knowledge is what will improve your sound the most and increasing it is pretty much free around here.

For example, your alluding to need 4 compressors is probably pretty much off the mark. Learning how to record without needing a compressor is far more wise. Of course, you'll need to tame your source and that may depend on pure talent and/or your room dynamics. If you find yourself doing alot of processing and gimmickry to your tracks then your missing something somewhere.

You should look at improving your sound chain starting at the source and up the line from there e.g your mic->preamp->mixer->recorder->soundcard->amp->nearfields. There's no point in getting a good soundcard if you have a crap mic and/or you don't know how to set it up for a decent recording.

Being a student your best way to go would be improving your source before shelling out more money. You also need to be real careful of buying equipment that you will find obsolete in the near future.

I like the hardware route myself but lots of folks like the software approach. Get yourself a few good books to read like [Modern Recording Techniques - Huber & Runstein] and [Mastering Audio - The Art and the Science - Bob Katz]. You'll learn most of what you need to know to answer these questions that you ask by yourself and of course keep using that 4 track and experiment because there's no replacement for experience.
 
Hardware is not a good idea for you...almost everything you will be able to afford on your budget will not be as good as plug-ins for say cakewalk...and you do not half to use the presets...i used them at first....then realized that i hated the sound....experimetn with virtual knobs instead of hardware its cheaper and you will most likely have a better sound on cakewalk then a 4 track...then as mentioned above gett something like better mics or pre's
 
I do realise that everythig I could possibly need is easily available in software form but like I said Elmo89m, I've been using Cakewalk and bits of Cubase for a couple of years and it's not gotten me anywhere. It seems like I'd learn a lot more via non-software orientated methods even if a bit pricier. I'm a serious musician aswell and I've never had a problem with making a good investment in good equipment; I'm not just someone who wants to have a bit of a dabble. Neither am I the type of guy to fork out loads on crap though :) ! Cheers for the feedback
Yeah NYMorningstar, I'm gonna be experimenting alot more with recording once I get some work out of the way :) . I really love the 4 track even if it is on 1/8" cassette tape! It's not digital therefore it makes me smile :D . What I've found with the recordings I've made so far is the general dynamics of various sounds/instruments would mean certain quiter bits of track would get lost under the other tracks so I suppose that's how you mean taming the source. One experiment will involve my echo-ey hallway in my uni house, see how I can use that.
Well ok, I've been using a Shure PG51 mic for a couple of years as it sounds good for vox but isn't so expensive that I'd be worrying about breaking it when gigging. Anyone have any suggestions as to something better for recording vox or general instruments? Vox are a pain for recording I find; I'm a very dynamic singer as are the other people I've recorded - why I felt adding a compressor would be an improvement; it's always seemed like a standard method for recording. Would a condensor mic be a good idea, as wouldn't it do something to a similar effect as a compressor? I'd been looking at pres online aswell a while back; again some of the TFPro pres seem very good - supposedly very good stuff. I'll post about that on the hardware forum maybe.
Thanks again all
 
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