My 2488 Experiences So Far

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Zaphod B

Raccoons-Be-Gone, Inc.
As some of you may recall, I received a Tascam 2488 for my birthday in June. I've had a little time to play with it, and I thought I would jot down some impressions.

First I have to say that although I have many years experience as a musician (guitarist and vocalist), I have no experience recording anything other than direct into a stereo cassette deck. I'm finding that this is both good and bad. The bad part is that I'm having to learn *everything* and it makes my head hurt. The good part is that I don't have any preconceived notions about anything, and I'm not having to un-learn anything as I learn.

Here's my setup: I have commandeered the dining room, which is about 12' x 16' and very live. I record bass guitar direct, with no preamp or effects, into the front panel channel H input. (I bought an Ibanez SRX-300 for this purpose and it has very nice tone and playability for a cheap bass.) I also record guitar direct. I play a Strat Plus and Les Paul Special through a PodXT Live, and run the output into the unbalanced 1/4" rear input of one of channels E - H. (I use the rear input rather than the front input for Channel H since the PodXT contributes gain, and the front panel input is supposed to be used for passive electronics.) I do not use the 2488's multi-effects on the guitar since they are a bit noisy, but rely on the PodXt for effects. So far I am not using any live guitar amplification. I'm pleased with the Pod sound.

For drums I'm using the 2488 tone generator. It's not ideal and lacks programmability but works OK for what I need right now. I will probably end up with a drum machine at some point.

I have two MXL 601 mics that I use for acoustic guitar and vocals. Even though the 601 is not considered ideal for vocals, I find that they're not terrible, and sound a shitload better than an AudioTechnica dynamic mic that I have used for live performance vocals. I mic the guitar with a stereo pair, and this gives a very natural tone. For vocals I use a pop filter and keep a consistent distance of about 8" from the mike, pointing straight at my mouth.

On to the recording experience.

For my first song I decided to start with a bass track, using a click track for timing. I encountered a strange timing anomaly, where upon playback the recorded bass track and the TG click track diverged linearly, little by little, resulting in a timing discrepancy of about 1/2 second by the end of the song. I still don't know the cause, but I suspect it may be caused by some latency in either the recording or playback process.

So I decided to program a drum track and bounce the TG drum program to one of the pairs of stereo channels, and use this for my reference when tracking. (Thanks to the Tascam.com forums, and particularly user "Double" who has written a very nice, user-friendly supplement to the factory user's manual.) The synthetic drums are easy to arrange and don't sound too horrible. The main limitation is that you are stuck with a total of, like, 6 patterns per program, so the percussion gets a bit repetitious.

One advantage of having to program a whole song's worth of drum track is that you are forced to notate the entire song in some fashion. I don't know standard notation well enough to use it, but instead I write out the song in outline form and make a note of how many measures are in each section, and which drum patterns correspond to each section. Then I program the drums according to my notes and have a reference for further tracking.

Tracking is just so easy. I track everything dry with no effects or panning. On my first song I ended up with two stereo acoustic guitars (two tracks per guitar for a total of four tracks), two electric rhythm guitars, bass, stereo drum program, lead electric guitar, lead vocal, and two backing vocal tracks. Recording all these tracks down to my satisfaction took a total of about 10 hours over the course of a week or so.

Mixing is also a piece of cake. On the song I mentioned above, I ran the bass, lead vocal, and lead guitar dead center. I panned the two acoustic guitars pretty far over, left and right, with a bit of panning separation between the stereo tracks for each guitar. I panned the rhythm electrics left/right, a bit inside the acoustics. I left the TG drum program as it recorded. I panned one of the backing vocals slightly to the left of center, the other slightly to the right. My aim was to evenly populate the sound field, with each component of the music having its own discrete space. I don't know if this is an accepted technique, but the results were good.

I used no EQ on any of the tracks, but did use a little compression on the vocals to help level out the peaks and valleys in dynamic range. The mix ended up sounding very good, with nice distinction between instruments. The lead vocal may need a bit more tweaking to smooth it out.

One thing that's a little confusing is the concept of premastering on the 2488. There's no difference between playback in premaster and playback in normal mode, except that in premaster some of the functions are disabled. In either case you can set your channel fader levels, pan, EQ, etc. So I'm not sure what the purpose of premastering is, other than as a quick preparatory step to recording the master.

Anyway, sorry about the long post. I've recorded two complete songs at this point and am finding that the basics I've described above are very easy. I'm sure that there's more lurking under the surface that will befuddle me.

My biggest gripe is the user's manual. It's not very complete. Wait, that's a gross understatement. It doesn't cover some very basic stuff, like for example bouncing the TG drum pattern to a channel. And there is inadequate description of the various parameters than can be changed (for example, in the compression settings for MICX4, the compression level is given as a discrete number rather than a ratio...what the hell does that mean?) Fortunately, there is good information to be found in this forum as well as the Tascam.com forums.

I'll be starting on a new tune tonight!
 
The puprose of recording a pre-master is to have a 2-track version of your song that you can export to your computer or burn to CD.
 
Master vs. pre-master

What's the difference between them and when is the master not the premaster and when is the master always the master? And why can't the premaster be the master? And the master be the premaster?

I can't seem to figure this one out.

Anybody? :confused:
 
RAMI said:
The puprose of recording a pre-master is to have a 2-track version of your song that you can export to your computer or burn to CD.
I understand that. Recording the premaster creates a master. But for the purpose of setting fader levels, panning, applying EQ, etc., there doesn't seem to be any difference between normal playback mode and premaster playback mode. You can make all these settings in either mode.

Or am I missing something?
 
The difference between the 2 modes is that the "Pre-Master" takes a snapshot of all the fader, eq, and effect changes you made during the song. When you go into "Check Pre-Master" you'll hear the song with all the changes you made DURING playback when you were in "Record Pre-Master" (if you pressed the RECORD button). It records your mixdown. You can then take the 2 track "Pre-Master" and burn a CD or export it to your PC where you can do final Mastering to it.
 
OK, I think I get it. Recording the premaster results in a "scratch" stereo master, which you can re-record as needed to get the mix right before either burning to CD or exporting to a PC. Correct?
 
Exactly...It records the 2 track stereo master of your song with whatever you did while you were playing back the song.
The reason it's called a "PRE" Master is because they're assuming you will take that, send it to a Masterting House or export it to your pc and use software to put final touches on it, like overall compression and eq. They could just as easily call it "Mastering" without the "PRE".
 
Ah! So I was tripping over the nomenclature - premaster vs. master. In my case, where I likely won't be doing any further tweaks, a premaster and master are the same thing.

Thanks, RAMI.
 
Glad I can help.
Yes, the "PRE" master could make it more confusing than it needs to be. They could have just saved a lot of confusion by calling it "Mixdown".

And, actually, to take it a step further, you can't burn a CD of the song without the "PreMaster". When you go into "CD WRITER", it looks for the "PreMaster" of the song. So you have to record your "Mixdown" if you want to have a final product.
 
Thanks for putting this "mixdown" in to perspective Rami. Yes, "mixdown" would have served my understanding better.
 
Zaphod B, sounds like you moved thru it quickly.
i agree the lowest score on the unit is the Guitar stuff being noisy.

anyway, its an awesome unit, ain't it?
its the HD24...24 tracks/24 bit
its got the CD-R too... with compression!!
and on and on...

great to hear your zooming thru the unit.

yeah "befuddled" is your words,
hell i read posts about all the editing, drum patterns... i don't even know the effects setups and loops 100%!

i took the lazy route and grabbed some analog outboard to get going, but the EQ and compression and effects are probably very decent if learned...

i like it more now.. than i did when i bought the thing!
 
Coolcat, I'm liking it more all the time.

The more I use it, the less I have to refer to the owner's manual and things are starting to become more automatic. Assigning channels, panning, etc., are very easy and quickly become second nature.

I haven't taken the opportunity to explore a few things like the library of compression models for the MICX8 and MICX4 effects. I want to become really familiar with basic usage before I confuse myself even more.

But I'm just amazed at the ease of use and quality of output of this thing when you consider that 15 years ago, the capability contained within a $1000 piece of equipment would easily have cost 50 or 100 times as much.

And if Phil Spector doesn't care for the masses being able to record music so conveniently and cheaply.....f^ck him! :D
 
Now, everybody can have that famous "WALL OF SOUND"! that made Spector so well known.
 
2488 Premaster step

is it true a compressor at 5:1 is like a limiter??

or the compressor on the 2488 can be set up like a limiter, kind of get some more volume on the pre-mastered master, pre CD-R master burner? :)

hey, b...i was up late last night listening to several tunes. some of that stuff can't be HR...or it must be mastered/polished??

after hearing it thru my stereo, i poped in my cd-r and it sounded extreemly dull and lifeless?? alot of boomy bass was one thing noticed.
very strange, when doing quick side by sides? it was very low in the volume department too.

the tracks you had on it sounded mastered somewhat, very loud like a consumer level.

how did you set your volumes so well... with limiters? or just skills..

oh well, i'm still buzzin...i don't expect to be a seaasoned pro in 2 yrs!
 
COOLCAT...I don't there is a specific ratio that is officially where limiting starts, but I'd say that to call it limiting, you're talking at least 8:1.
Unfortunately, on the 2488, there are 3 different compressors and they all have different parameters. It's very inconsistant. One compressor's ratios are pretty standard, 2:1, 4:1, etc...Another one has the ratio settings at simply 0 to 100 so that 0 is no compression and 100 is a lot of compression. The third one is also 0 to 100 but backwards so that 0 is lots of compression and 100 is none. TASCAM took alot of short cuts or simply overlooked alot of things when they made the 2488. A lot of the features were more user-friendly in the 788. Doesn't mean I don't love my 2488, but being able to compare with the 788, I notice a few things they definitely missed the boat on.
 
Zaphod said:
I recently purchased a 2488 also. When you say you lay down two acoustic tracks, two stereo electric etc. Do you actually play (re perform) each track? Or are you copying a track and pasting it on another channel? Also, I have worked on a couple of songs and was wondering about how you go about "mixing" or panning say each rhythm channel, lead channel etc. You seem to have a good knowledge of it, any info you can give me would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
 
Fenderdude -

Yes, I am playing each track separately. For each of the two acoustic guitar performances I mic'd the guitar with a stereo pair, so there were two channels used for each acoustic performance (four total for two guitars). To distinguish the two guitars, in addition to panning I actually played with different styles, with one performance being just a standard chord strum with no muting, and the other being a heel-muted lower-string-only treatment.

For the two electric rhythm tracks, I used different amp models to differentiate the sound and varied my playing style, in addition to panning.

OK, so how to pan: you can apply panning during playback mode, premastering mode, and during mastering. The way I've done it is to just leave everything centered until I finish recording all the tracks, then set the panning in playback mode. Then you can go straight into the premaster/master with your pans set, unless you want to play with them during the mastering process.

To pan a channel, press the channel's SELECT button, then press the FADER/PAN button (located above and to the right of the STEREO fader). This brings up a screen on the display that shows a virtual pan knob for each channel. Use the direction keys and the jog shuttle knob to jump from channel to channel, and set the pan for each channel. That's it, it's very easy. (Refer to your owner's manual on page 24.)

I hope this helps you out. You should also check out the TASCAM 2488 forum at http://www.tascam2488.com - lots of helpful people over there with lots more experience than me.

Good luck!
 
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Zaphod,
Thanks, another question, do you ever use a footswitch for the punchin feature? If so, what kind of footswitch are you using?
Thanks
Fenderdude
 
No, no footswitch. You can set up an auto punch so that there's no need for a switch action. The 2488 will allow up to 99 punches on the same track, and you get to pick the one you like the most. Using autopunch in the repeat mode, you can keep doing punch after punch. In autopunch you set a pre-roll point, a punch-in point, a punch-out point, and a post-roll point. It's pretty cool.

See page 46 of your user's manual for autopunch operations.
 
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