MXL2001 vs MXL V67G

Wannaplay

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I was looking at the specs on these 2 mics and they appear to be almost identical. I'm looking for a vocal/instrument mic in this price point (<$100) and would like to get opinions about these two.
I already have a MXL603 and an SM57 and am trying to decide which large condenser to get. Thanks in advance.
 
the v67 is an upgraded 2001 so its alot smoother......under $100 its either the v67, a v93M, or a SP B1.........
 
Gidge said:
the v67 is an upgraded 2001 so its alot smoother......under $100 its either the v67, a v93M, or a SP B1.........
I have a hand-drawn schematic someone sent me of these mics and the “upgrade” appears to be only a couple of resistor changes that would affect the bias of the input FET. Most folks seems to love the V67 and hate the 2001, but I don’t really see how the difference could be more than just subtle. However, I’ve been know to be wrong!;)
 
"According to Brent Casey at Marshall, the V67 IS basically a standard 797 model, but Brent made some significant changes; mainly specing a new output transformer that eliminates a ringing problem in the standard model, and which also provides smoother response. He also changed out the JFETS and some other components to lower the noise level significantly from the standard model."

"The housing does make a significant difference in the sound, and the new transformer, JFETs, and the different components now make the V67 very different sounding from the 2001, which did not fare well in my review of the MXL mic line."

"Marshall MXL-2001 $130?? Sorry, I can't find the MSRP right now. Harsh top end, thin bottom, compared to the TLM-103. It was a little warmer than the Nady SCM-1000, but the Nady had a smoother top end. The 2001 is everything that I don't like about all the really inexpensive large diaphragm condensor mics that I've listened to over the years, including the AKG C3000, the Oktava 219, and some of the early AT low cost units."

"Marshall MXL-V67 $270 This was the other flat-out winner, both in the looks, and sound categories. It's the green-bodied, gold topped Bejing 797 copy of a C12, and it looks like it costs around $2500. Lots of proximity effect (even more than my RCA ribbon mics) and about 1.5 dB more bottom than the TLM-103, with a similar top end to the TLM-103. This is a real winner for some male vocals, especially singers that make use of the proximity effect. It compared very favorably with the LOMO M3 head for that "bigger than life" sound. If you wanna make your studio "look" more expensive than it really is, get the V67. And it just happens to sound great, too."

quote from Harvey Gerst



so my opinion: the 2001 doesnt sound terrible, just a little harsh.....the v67 is just so much smoother and will fit right into a mix with NO EQ.......
 
O/T, Gidge, wanted to let you know I was now able to respond to your
PM regarding the microphone. Let me know ASAP as at least two other
members are interested.

Back on topic, read the review on the Marshall MXL-2001 at
www.prorec.com sometime-brutal!

Chris
 
Gidge said:
"According to Brent Casey at Marshall.....quote from Harvey Gerst.......
Where was this from? Can you post the thread because it sounds real interesting. That was back when Brent was at Marshall. I'm wondering if they still make them like that now? Kind of makes me wonder if Marshall didn't go back to the cheaper design without telling anyone so they could lower the V67's price and compete with others. You got to admit - that's a pretty big price drop!
 
Flatpicker said:
Where was this from? Can you post the thread because it sounds real interesting. That was back when Brent was at Marshall. I'm wondering if they still make them like that now? Kind of makes me wonder if Marshall didn't go back to the cheaper design without telling anyone so they could lower the V67's price and compete with others. You got to admit - that's a pretty big price drop!

I remember reading that post also...... but, I don't remember which thread it was. However, now that Brent Casey works for PMI Audio (Alan Hyatt) instead of Marsahll Electronics...... Alan is now saying the Marshall mic's are just off the shelf type mic's and Brent wont comment on the mod's he made for the Marshall mic's anymore.... lol. IMO, this is just more of Alan Hyatt's tricky sales crap... he's just trying to bash Marshall mic's to try and make his SP mic's look better and sell more of his mic's.

Also, if you ask Alan Hyatt about SP mic design details he wont tell you crap and instead he just says he doesn't want to give away any trade secrets. But, hey Alan's isn't on the web to try and help people learn about mic's...... he's only on the internet to bad mouth his competition and sell his mic's.
 
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That opinion on the Marshall's "off the shelf" issue was resolved some time ago, partly through Harvey's intervention. As Alan will tell you himself, he has an upfront style of communication. He means well, and to paint a picture of malicious intentions isn't fair to him, especially since he has (and Harvey) withdrawn from this BBS due to unfair accusations.

If anyone e-mails him at PMI or visits his forum, he'll try to help you out. DJL, I hope someday you and Alan can mend things,
as you like helping people too.

Can we stay on topic now?

Chris
 
Sure, and back to the Marshall mic topic...... here's some things that Harvey Gerst posted on this mic BBS board a while back........

Ok, my pinched sciatic nerve thing died down, and Alex and I finally got around to finally listening to all the mics in the Marshall line. None of the testing was done formally, and it's all pretty subjective, but in talking to Brent Casey at Marshall, he pretty well confirmed what I heard, so I think my comments will be of some use to people here.

Let me also add that Brent is NOT just buying Chinese mics as they roll off the assembly line. He is working on specing the actual diaphragms materials, the porting, new designs, and he's making a really great effort to keep the line consistant. He impressed the hell out of me with his passion about mics (about the same kind of passion about products that people like Taylor Johnson, Karl Winkler, Stephen Paul, and Brad Lunde have). I honestly believe that Brent Casey is 100% committed to making the Marshall line a serious contender in the mic market.

All the mics looked well made, and we had no problems with any of them, or the supplied shock mounts. Noise levels weren't a problem with any of the mics, although we didn't do any testing with really quiet instruments.

One of my concerns was consistancy from unit to unit. After we got the first batch, I had Brent send some extra units (off the shelf) so I could actually compare two units for possible differences. I'm happy to report that all the units I received were consistant and would do fine as stereo pairs.

All tests were done thru a Great River MP-2, with the microphone under test polarity reversed and nulled (to match initial levels), then normalled to do the actual comparison. We used the level controls on the GR to note differences in gain.

While I listened to the mics in the studio using headphones, Alex listened in the control room, using our main speakers (wall-mounted JBL-4311Bs, with a Cerwin Vega subwoofer). We compared notes and in almost every case, Alex and I agreed completely on the results (so we didn't hafta trust my "rock-n-roll shot ears").

The units we listened to included:

1 Marshall MXL "The Fox" hand-held dynamic.
1 Marshall MXL-1000 hand-held condensor
2 Marshall MXL-600 small condensor mics
2 Marshall MXL-603 small condensor mics
1 Marshall MXL-2001 large condensor mic
2 Marshall MXL-2003 large condensor mics
1 Marshall MXL-V67 large condensor mic
2 Marshall MXL-V77 tube large condensor mics

Comparison mics included:

1 Neumann TLM-103
2 matched Oktava MC012s w/cardioid capsules
1 Lomo M3 large condensor mic on MC012 body
1 Shure SM-7 dynamic
1 Shure SM-58 dynamic
1 Nady SCM-1000 multi-pattern condensor

The results:
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The mics we didn't like:

Marshall MXL-2001 $130?? Sorry, I can't find the MSRP right now. Harsh top end, thin bottom, compared to the TLM-103. It was a little warmer than the Nady SCM-1000, but the Nady had a smoother top end. The 2001 is everything that I don't like about all the really inexpensive large diaphragm condensor mics that I've listened to over the years, including the AKG C3000, the Oktava 219, and some of the early AT low cost units.

Marshall MXL-600 $270 Veiled top end and exaggerated low-mid, compared to the Oktava MC-012. About 1 dB lower output than the Oktava. It just sounded very dull and lifeless. Very easy to bottom out as well.

The mics we did like:

The $30 Marshall Fox hand-held dynamic mic was a little harder to judge - it had good high end, good bottom end, but it had scooped mids, compared to the Shure SM-7. Alex said it did fine as a vocal mic at a live gig, although it fed back sooner than the Shure SM-58. Still, at roughly $30 retail, I can see people having a few around for live gigs.

Marshall MXL-2003 $399 I thought the 2003 sounded pretty smooth overall. Alex thought it had a little less bottom than the 103, but a little more hi mids and top end than a 103. The Nady had a little less bottom. Alex felt it was similar to the AKG C3000, but it sounded smoother than a C3000, to me anyway.

(The lack of proximity effect that I noted in an earlier report about the 2003, was due to me accidently hitting the bass rolloff switch while I was putting it in its shock mount. When I noticed normal proximity effect with a second unit, I discovered my screwup.)

Marshall MXL-603 $99 This was a flat-out winner, folks. Almost identical to the MC012 in sound, with a wide cardioid pattern, almost approaching omni. We used them as drum overhead mics, and they did a great job. The diaphragms are easy to bottom out on voice, but with a pop filter (and positioned above the singer's mouth), they wouldn't be bad as a vocal mic on some singers, and they'd probably do fine on acoustic guitar, and many other instruments. They were also a perfect match to the Oktava MC012 - they sounded nearly identical.

Marshall MXL 1000 $99 This was the hand-held condensor mic that Marshall was pushing as a KM-105. It totally sucked as a hand-held vocal mic. Brent Casey suggested I try it without the end ball, and I discovered it was basically the 603 in a Shure-type body. Without the ball end fucking up the sound, it was identical in sound to the 603.

Marshall MXL-V77 $600 This is the top of the line Marshall tube mic, and it's very similar to the TLM-103 in sound (with a little more proximity effect). It's a very nice tube mic, especially at the price. There was a 1 dB difference in the level between the two V77s we tested, but the sound was identical.

Marshall MXL-V67 $270 This was the other flat-out winner, both in the looks, and sound categories. It's the green-bodied, gold topped Bejing 797 copy of a C12, and it looks like it costs around $2500. Lots of proximity effect (even more than my RCA ribbon mics) and about 1.5 dB more bottom than the TLM-103, with a similar top end to the TLM-103. This is a real winner for some male vocals, especially singers that make use of the proximity effect. It compared very favorably with the LOMO M3 head for that "bigger than life" sound. If you wanna make your studio "look" more expensive than it really is, get the V67. And it just happens to sound great, too.

The studio wound up buying the Marshall MXL-V67, the Marshall MXL-603s, and the Marshall MXL-1000 (as an extra 603). I would't hesitate to buy the 2003s or the V77 as well, if we could afford them (which we can't, at the moment).

Well, that's the results - it wasn't a fancy test, and YMMV, but overall, I think it might be helpful to some people, especially if you're a "bottom feeder" studio as we are. As I mentioned earlier, Brent said that our tests pretty much agreed with his findings, and that at least confirmed that we were all hearing pretty much the same things.

Harvey Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
http://www.ITRstudio.com/
 
Thanks DJL for posting that again.
Forgotten, that like myself, Harvey didn't care for the Oktava 219. (319 sounds better IMHO)

Chris
 
chessparov said:
Thanks DJL for posting that again.
Forgotten, that like myself, Harvey didn't care for the Oktava 219. (319 sounds better IMHO)

Chris

Your welcome, and a while back I also asked Harvey what his favorite Marshalls mic's were... and this was his reply.........

To the Marshall list, I would put them in this order:

MXL V69
MXL 603
MXL V67
MXL 990
MXL 1006
MXL V77
MXL 2003

While I like the V77 and 2003, I'll prbably start using those less often although I may retire the 1006 in favor of the 2003, but I'll hafta listen to them both side by side first. I'm looking forward to listening to my V67Gs again as soon as they get here.

I'd probably add some of the Studio Projects mics as well, but I still haven't found my notes from the SP listening sessions.

Sadly, my V69ME is on its way back to Marshall for repair. It started popping randomly for a while and now anything louder than a soft vocal is distorting like crazy. Hopefully, it will be something simple. Before it started having problems, it was our mic of choice for most of the vocal tasks here.

I think of it as being similar to a V67 - on steroids !!
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(NOTE: at the time of the above reply, Harvey had sent his MXLV67G's to Stephen Paul to look at and that's what he ment by "I'm looking forward to listening to my V67Gs again as soon as they get here" Stephen Paul had not returned yet.)

(NOTE: Harvey has his V69ME's back now... and I forgot what he said caused the problem...... but I remember it wasn't a big deal.)
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And in another thread when I asked Harvey what he thought about the Studio Projects mic's........ he replied with something like..... his son Alex kind of liked the B1 on a guitar amp and that there was one he kind of liked (maybe it was the B1 too) but he couldn't find his notes and so he really couldn't remember.
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I'll see if I can find the thread about the SP mic's......

Oh, and I sold my Oktava 219 also because I didn't like it either..... but I kept my Oktava 319.
 
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DJL said:
Let me also add that Brent is NOT just buying Chinese mics as they roll off the assembly line.
I still say Marshall might not be making the same mic. With Brent being gone, the V67G price drop, and the schematic a guy over at recording.org's Tech Talk made from the V67G, I'm highly suspicious. And I'll probably stay that way until someone can prove otherwise...
 
Flatpicker, their all cheap Chinese made mic's, including Studio Projects mic's... so I guess SP will just have to drop their mic prices to compete...... you know like they had to do with their VTB-1 preamp.

Whoever can sell the lowest, and keep doing it the longest will drive the others out and take over the market... or unless the little guy can spread bad rumors about the others first...... then they might have a fighting chance to play hardball with the big boys. lol.
 
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Can't be sure but...

I can't say from knowledge one way or another if Marshall made any cost cutting changes to their design but I can say that pointing to a price decrease as evidence doesn't really mean anything.

I have spent over 25 years in the electronic product development and manufacturing. Price decreases are always planned into a product's life cycle even if we don't know if we can make design changes along the way. We are able to do this because at some point we begin to amortize the cost of the design and tooling required to get the product into production.

We HAVE to cut prices along the way because unless we have patents that prevent competition, our competitors will also try to follow as agressive a pricing curve as possible in order to steal our customers.

The competition at the lower end of the condenser mic market is cut throat right now.

Product pricing usually follows a bathtub curve - high start with a steep drop to a valley when the product reaches maturity. The price rises sharply at the end if it is not discontinued. This is mostly due to falling volumes and standard parts becoming obsolete and costly.

All of the above factors are considered in any well thought out marketing/engineering plan.
 
thevirgin, thank you for helping to shine the light on what's really taking place in todays budget mic market. :)

Marketing 101A. :D
 
I'll try to check into this over the next few days. If the V67G has indeed not been changed (and I hope it hasn't!), then I'll be picking one up for myself.:D
 
I just bought two v67s at the local SamAsh. I'm VERY pleased with the sound. Mine are black, with the Mogami wire label -- I wonder if they are actually Mars Music leftovers. It seems like the store has been having various items from Mars lately.

-lee-
 
Thanks for all the replies and good info. guys. I just last night ordered an MXL V67G with shockmount. Can't wait to put it into use!
 
Well, I pulled up my files from session 5 of http://www.thelisteningsessions.com/home.htm and compared the V67G and 2001 on acoustic guitar. These were recorded with the mics in the exact position, and they sound pretty close to me other than the 2001 sounding a little clearer. I don't know about vocals, but from this example I'd pick the 2001 over the V67G, even though it's not nearly as pretty.:p
 
Marshall V67G. I love it on male vocals. Especially when he works the proximity. Got to love that green and gold color scheme too. Didn't care for it to much on acoustic but haven't experimented much there. I have a CAD E100 that really shines on acoustic guitar. My 2 cents.

DD
 
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