battleminnow
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freshmattyp said:
Has anyone verified this yet? I am looking at getting one, and if this is true it could greatly affect my decision.
Pete
Has anyone verified this yet? I am looking at getting one, and if this is true it could greatly affect my decision.
Pete
battleminnow
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Another note:
The mic on the CAD mics website has the GA--Galaxy Audio logo on it, while it is definately the same body as the MF version. On the 8thstreet version the GA is conspicuously absent, instead sits a CAD logo, like the MF model. Interesting....
The mic on the CAD mics website has the GA--Galaxy Audio logo on it, while it is definately the same body as the MF version. On the 8thstreet version the GA is conspicuously absent, instead sits a CAD logo, like the MF model. Interesting....
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twist
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What the hell is up with that? You mean there are 2 M-37s only one is the real M-37 and one isn't? That's ridiculous.
So is the M-37 that's really an M177 a much better mic than the M37 that's not an M177?
And if it's not an M177, and it's not an M37, what the hell is it?
So is the M-37 that's really an M177 a much better mic than the M37 that's not an M177?
And if it's not an M177, and it's not an M37, what the hell is it?
battleminnow
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twist said:
That's my concern. I know that some people have pulled there m37's apart and found a M177 board inside, all but proving they are the same internally (w/exceptions, yes I know.) My question lies in that everyone who has one of these things bought it from GC or MF. Now, if 8thstreet is selling a "new" or "improved" version of this mic, I would gladly pay $10 more and use the pop screen I already have for a better mic. What we can be sure of is that CAD's website talks about there exclusive dealings with MF for the M37, but that they have released a new version under the Galaxy Audio name. Who knows, maybe they have extended the deal to 8thstreet as well? I think I have an email to write to CAD. I will let you guys know what, if anything, I find out.
Pete
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twist
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Thanks Pete. I'll be waiting to hear the answer to that one!
Twist
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detuned6
Metal dude
same here ,i bought one from MF last xmas season for $99.
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Harvey Gerst
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And there lies the problem:Fab4ever said:
Voices are different.
Guitars are different.
Pianos are different.
Drum sets are different.
Musicians are different.
Keys are different.
There's no "one size fits all" solution. The closest you can get is a good flat omni, but only if your looking for absolute accuracy. Most people aren't looking for that.
Most people are looking for something that compliments the sound - makes it more pleasing, or "bigger", or whatever. And nobody can say which is gonna be the drop-dead best for your particular needs.
Sometimes it can be an MXL-V67 or a Studio Projects B1, but there's no guarantee that those will be the best choices for one specific application.
We recommend some mics because they're inexpensive and work well for a lot of things, or we recommend avoiding certain mics for their unevenness or poor response, which limits their usefullness.
In every specific situation, there can be one "best" mic, but which mic it turns out to be will depend on the conditions surrounding that specific situation. It's not always the mic you think it's gonna be, and sometimes you get surprised.
If you stay with some of the mic choices you see on this forum, you'll get pretty good results and most of your purchase decisions won't come back to bite you on the ass. Will they be the "best" possible choices for you? Hell no, but they'll be pretty good choices. And at least, you'll be avoiding some very bad choices that are out there.
battleminnow
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OK, here's what we got:
I sent this email:
I have a question regarding the M37 microphone. I see that there is a M37 marketed through Musicians Friend, and that this mic is a Musicians Friend exclusive. I also noticed that CAD has recently released a M37 marketed through the GA name, I believe Global Audio. I have also seen a M37 marketed by 8th Street music that is a M37 microphone. My confusion is this: the 8th Street microphone has a CAD logo, while your site has a GA logo on the picture of the new GA M37. Are these mics the same internally? It is important to me that the microphone I purchase is of the same design as the Musicians Friend version, but the 8th Street version is cheaper. Can you clear this up for me?
Thank You,
Pete Kopplin
And this is the CAD repy:
Pete,
I'll be happy to clear up the confusion. The M37VP that 8th Street Music has listed, is the way this Global Audio by CAD product is currently being sold. The M37VP (Value Pack) comes with a Pop Filter and shock mount (it does not come with the swivel mount that is shown). Unfortunately their webmaster didn't call the mic package by the correct name (M37VP) or show it as it comes. But I'm not sure we ever gave them the art work. The mic has the Global Audio (GA) logo. The CAD M37 that is advertised by Musicians' Friend is an older piece, that they are closing out, that was an exclusive for them when they bought it, but we later made available to all dealers, in the Global Audio by CAD line. Internally they are the same. The Musician's Friend mic comes with a case, but no Pop Filter or shock mount.
I hope this clears up your confusion, and I'll now be calling 8th Street to get them to put up the correct picture and model number.
If you have any other questions, please let me know.
C.P. Pores
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Let's hope the tech support knows what they're talking about. If so, this should continue to be a great mic for some people.
Pete
I sent this email:
I have a question regarding the M37 microphone. I see that there is a M37 marketed through Musicians Friend, and that this mic is a Musicians Friend exclusive. I also noticed that CAD has recently released a M37 marketed through the GA name, I believe Global Audio. I have also seen a M37 marketed by 8th Street music that is a M37 microphone. My confusion is this: the 8th Street microphone has a CAD logo, while your site has a GA logo on the picture of the new GA M37. Are these mics the same internally? It is important to me that the microphone I purchase is of the same design as the Musicians Friend version, but the 8th Street version is cheaper. Can you clear this up for me?
Thank You,
Pete Kopplin
And this is the CAD repy:
Pete,
I'll be happy to clear up the confusion. The M37VP that 8th Street Music has listed, is the way this Global Audio by CAD product is currently being sold. The M37VP (Value Pack) comes with a Pop Filter and shock mount (it does not come with the swivel mount that is shown). Unfortunately their webmaster didn't call the mic package by the correct name (M37VP) or show it as it comes. But I'm not sure we ever gave them the art work. The mic has the Global Audio (GA) logo. The CAD M37 that is advertised by Musicians' Friend is an older piece, that they are closing out, that was an exclusive for them when they bought it, but we later made available to all dealers, in the Global Audio by CAD line. Internally they are the same. The Musician's Friend mic comes with a case, but no Pop Filter or shock mount.
I hope this clears up your confusion, and I'll now be calling 8th Street to get them to put up the correct picture and model number.
If you have any other questions, please let me know.
C.P. Pores
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Let's hope the tech support knows what they're talking about. If so, this should continue to be a great mic for some people.
Pete
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chessparov
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And to further add to the confusion...
Excellent post Harvey. (as usual)
Let me add, however, my personal experience to expand on your
point.
Different microphones work better not only on whether singing
in "baritone" or "2nd tenor" keys, they also depend on the style
of material and delivery. (Yeah, I know YOU know that!)
For example, a SM57 sounds "bluesy", a Oktava MC012
sounds somewhat "dark", a C1 "vintage/warm", etc., etc.
Rather like a guitarist ala Eric Clapton who has a quiver of guitars
to use on different songs.
If the V67 was for me, it would be way down on the list because
of its response to "low mids", it's going to sound too muddy,
especially in my baritone range compared to others I have.
On a blues based song, I'd typicallyrather use a '57 because of its
"gritty" sound though! YMMV
And then comes the issue of mic pre's! (it never ends...)
Chris
Excellent post Harvey. (as usual)
Let me add, however, my personal experience to expand on your
point.
Different microphones work better not only on whether singing
in "baritone" or "2nd tenor" keys, they also depend on the style
of material and delivery. (Yeah, I know YOU know that!)
For example, a SM57 sounds "bluesy", a Oktava MC012
sounds somewhat "dark", a C1 "vintage/warm", etc., etc.
Rather like a guitarist ala Eric Clapton who has a quiver of guitars
to use on different songs.
If the V67 was for me, it would be way down on the list because
of its response to "low mids", it's going to sound too muddy,
especially in my baritone range compared to others I have.
On a blues based song, I'd typicallyrather use a '57 because of its
"gritty" sound though! YMMV
And then comes the issue of mic pre's! (it never ends...)
Chris
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detuned6
Metal dude
battleminnow said:
so internally they are both the same but-Mf is $130 and 8th st. is cheeper w/ shock mount and pop filter.
So who said that they opened up their m37 and their was M177 parts inside???
Roker1
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I bought one at a sale, (it was 450 AUD down to $250)....It's pretty crappy, I ended up using my mixers' pre amps......forget it , I reckon....
dtb
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Thanks Roker1,
That's the answer I was looking for. I kind of figured it was shit. But you know, you just have to check.
thanks,
dtb
That's the answer I was looking for. I kind of figured it was shit. But you know, you just have to check.
thanks,
dtb
Roker1
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no worries man
cheers
cheers
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littledog
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chessparov said:
Describing an MC012 as "dark" certainly added to my confusion!
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AudioMaverick
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I just looked on www.cadmics.com, and those are 2 different mics...
GA M-37
http://www.cadmics.com/global_audio_m37.htm
CAD M177
http://www.cadmics.com/m177_2.htm
They may use the same circuit board (same self-noise), but the *M-37* specs show it being a lesser performer (freq. and SPL). The general construction looks a little weaker, too. But, they seem pretty close.
Has any one had first hand experience with both of these mics? I'd be interested in what the differences are when using them.
GA M-37
http://www.cadmics.com/global_audio_m37.htm
CAD M177
http://www.cadmics.com/m177_2.htm
They may use the same circuit board (same self-noise), but the *M-37* specs show it being a lesser performer (freq. and SPL). The general construction looks a little weaker, too. But, they seem pretty close.
Has any one had first hand experience with both of these mics? I'd be interested in what the differences are when using them.
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chessparov
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That'll teach me to have an AKG C1000S and later a Rode NT1 as my first
two condensers! (they're both long since gone)
littledog, how do you describe the MC012's "sound"?
Chris
two condensers! (they're both long since gone)
littledog, how do you describe the MC012's "sound"?
Chris
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twist
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Thanks for doing the leg work Pete.
Based on the response to your e-mail, I ordered the m37 from 8th st. Can't wait to try it out!
Twist
Based on the response to your e-mail, I ordered the m37 from 8th st. Can't wait to try it out!
Twist
battleminnow
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Yeah, I am looking at picking it up later this month. Let me know what you think!
Pete
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twist
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OK guys. I ordered the CAD M37 from 8th st. Friday, and it arrived Wednesday. Price $128 with shipping. Including a nice shock mount basket and pop filter.
First thing I found when I took it out of the box, when I picked it up, it rattled like there was something loose inside. Great! I plugged it in and it was working, so hmmmmm. Should I open it up, or send it back. Of course I should send it back, but I want it now!
I'm an electronics tech by trade, so I have no fear of opening it up, other than possibly voiding the warranty. Fortunately, there are no stickers or seals to indicate that it's been opened, so naturally I did. It comes apart quite nicely too. It seems well costructed enough, and yes, the circuit board inside has "M-177" stamped right on it.
Turns out, the diaphragm capsule is mounted on a post, the base of which sits in a rubber shock mount. It looks like a lollipop. The base is a snug fit into the rubber, but looks like it had also been glued.
Apparently the glue gave out, and the lollipop became dislodged.
I was able to easily repair it, but the question is, how was it dislodged? The shipping container showed no signs of excessive trauma, and it was well packed.
There was no apparent evidence of any damage to the capsule, but still I'm a little concerned about any unseen damage to the capsule that could degrade the performance of the mic. Like I said, it works, but this is my first condenser mic, and I have nothing to compare it to outside of my old dynamics.
I'd hate to send it back, cause it looks cooler than hell standing in the middle of the room in its shock mount with the pop filter mounted in front!
Twist
First thing I found when I took it out of the box, when I picked it up, it rattled like there was something loose inside. Great! I plugged it in and it was working, so hmmmmm. Should I open it up, or send it back. Of course I should send it back, but I want it now!
I'm an electronics tech by trade, so I have no fear of opening it up, other than possibly voiding the warranty. Fortunately, there are no stickers or seals to indicate that it's been opened, so naturally I did. It comes apart quite nicely too. It seems well costructed enough, and yes, the circuit board inside has "M-177" stamped right on it.
Turns out, the diaphragm capsule is mounted on a post, the base of which sits in a rubber shock mount. It looks like a lollipop. The base is a snug fit into the rubber, but looks like it had also been glued.
Apparently the glue gave out, and the lollipop became dislodged.
I was able to easily repair it, but the question is, how was it dislodged? The shipping container showed no signs of excessive trauma, and it was well packed.
There was no apparent evidence of any damage to the capsule, but still I'm a little concerned about any unseen damage to the capsule that could degrade the performance of the mic. Like I said, it works, but this is my first condenser mic, and I have nothing to compare it to outside of my old dynamics.
I'd hate to send it back, cause it looks cooler than hell standing in the middle of the room in its shock mount with the pop filter mounted in front!
Twist
Slackmaster2K
Gone
Somebody should make some cool fake microphones...like with no electronics inside at all, just the shell. Sell em for 10 bucks and I bet they'd go like hotcakes!
Anyhow, I think you should do one of two things:
1) Fly backwards around the earth at the speed of light, like superman did that one time. This will allow you to travel back to the moment where you were just about to take the mic apart. Then simply tell yourself not to do it, and to return it.
2) Just return the sucker and eat the return stocking fee...or be honest with them that you attempted to repair the defect.
The problem is this: even though you took care of the rattle and the mic seems to be working...you'll never really know if it sounds right...you'll never really know if you can trust it...every time you use it the fact that you had to reglue it is going to be in your mind.
Good luck
Slackmaster 2000
Anyhow, I think you should do one of two things:
1) Fly backwards around the earth at the speed of light, like superman did that one time. This will allow you to travel back to the moment where you were just about to take the mic apart. Then simply tell yourself not to do it, and to return it.
2) Just return the sucker and eat the return stocking fee...or be honest with them that you attempted to repair the defect.
The problem is this: even though you took care of the rattle and the mic seems to be working...you'll never really know if it sounds right...you'll never really know if you can trust it...every time you use it the fact that you had to reglue it is going to be in your mind.
Good luck
Slackmaster 2000