Musical Elements Sounding Out of Place

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Hello, I've been trying to read up a few things on this topic. Why is it that certain combination of sounds that make sense on a music level never seem to blend together while mixing? I'm quite new to this so I'd really like to read up more on this topic.. How do you get better at adjusting and modifying a sound so it fits in with the other? I realize EQ plays a pivotal role in this, but I still can't seem to figure out WHAT it is that I need to eq in or out to make the sounds blend in with each other.
 
It's a pretty vague question, and almost impossible to answer without more specific details.

But, I will say that everything starts before you even press the RECORD button. Arrangement is key. Two separate instruments playing together might each sound cool on their own, but not fit together. Performance is key also.

When it comes to mixing, many things help blend things together, like EQ, panning, reverb (or echo), and obviously volume. But your mix should be about 60-70% "there" when you just do a quick faders-up mix. If things really don't blend at all without EQ'ing the hell out of them, then you have to go back and look at your arrangement and performance.

You shouldn't NEED EQ to "save" a mix, or any part of it.
 
Think of mixing as a 3-d space.

There's left to right (pan), top to bottom (freq) and front to back (verb).
If any two things overlap in all three of these planes, they won't sound defined or clear.


What RAMI said is key though; It should really all work before the record button is pressed.
 
How do you better at anything? Practice.

First thing I'd suggest is to hone your question asking skillz dude.... you'll get from here to there much quicker that way. :laughings:

Bit less vagueness would be useful.
 
Why is it that certain combination of sounds that make sense on a music level never seem to blend together while mixing?
You know, there's a hidden depth to the answer to this question.
But I can't find it ! :D
 
Why is it that certain combination of sounds that make sense on a music level never seem to blend together while mixing? How do you get better at adjusting and modifying a sound so it fits in with the other ?
Ok, so that was cruel but I was just choking {literally ~ I swallowed a capsule that was too large}.
Every single combination of voice, instrument and sound that exists in recording once did not exist. That may sound like a statement from Captain Obvious but there's a method to the madness.
I read an interesting book on George Harrison a while back and the writer Simon Leng made a really interesting point about the Beatles when they first went into EMI studios to make records. They'd been playing together for 5~6 years and had written lots of songs. But their songs were for live consumption and they never really heard themselves as recording artists apart from one crappy thing they did in a booth and as backing musicians for Tony Sheridan in Germany on a few songs. But when they got into the studio after 1962, they found that their songwriting and playing skills went to a whole different level because the demands were now different. This was stuff that had to bear repeated listenings forever and a day and that's why George Martin was so important to the development of them as a band and to three of them as songwriters.
About 5 years ago, I read Richie Unterberger's books "Turn turn turn" and "Eight miles high" which are a 2 volume work on folk rock and how pretty much most of the music of the mid 60s on came out of this. Both books are fascinating and are packed to the gills with wonderful stories and info. But something struck me during the reading of them. In parts there's an underlying criticism of the notion of "just putting bass and drums to acoustic folk tunes" {that's how Simon & Garfunkel's first hit came about ~ they didn't even know. They'd just made an acoustic guitar song} but what struck me was that a new sound was being created and as more and more new kinds of instruments came into rock and pop {and indeed soul, jazz and folk}, a way had to be found to accomodate them within this new context they were being put into. There was no template. Engineers just experimented with mixing until "it sounded/felt right". Then that became the accepted sound.
It's interesting, for example, listening to instances of the sitar on rock records. Sometimes it sounds just right, other times it sounds out of place, like it was just grafted on. Even with the electric guitar, as various guitarists experimented with recording lots of guitar tracks, things got to sound a certain way and very rarely did prominent guitarist continue to just record one guitar on a song. And on live albums alot of guitarists who sound awesome on studio records just sound incredibly thin.
Certain instruments became associated with certain genres but in every instance, engineers and producers experimented with the instruments and/or voices recorded and these made up the sounds we know today.
But there's more to it than just having X and Y instrument. Much of the time, these sounds that became permanent did so by accident. There's tons of instances of artists being really disappointed when they heard the mixes of their records.
And that's where you come in. There's alot of searching, trying this and that and messing about with various tools as you go in search of what you consider to be the right sound. You may well end up with something that you really like but which wasn't exactly what you were searching for initially.
 
Hey thanks for the answers everyone. I apologize if I wasn't specific with my question, I suppose I only wanted to be pointed towards what I should read / learn about to become better at dealing with this dilemma.

The music I'm trying to create includes live guitar, saturated drum sounds, and manipulated audio samples that i readjust to fit the musical context of the music as a background element.... Yeah, I know.

As far as mixing different sounds. Would you say the right approach is to start with one element, and make it sound as BEST as possible before moving onto the next to adjust and blend with the other? Or listen to everything at once and make adjustments from there?
 
As far as mixing different sounds. Would you say the right approach is to start with one element, and make it sound as BEST as possible before moving onto the next to adjust and blend with the other? Or listen to everything at once and make adjustments from there?

Put all the elements together in a mix using nothing but level to balance things a best as you can and listen carefully to how they interact. Sometimes it helps to solo things to identify and correct specific problems, but what matters is how they sound in the mix. Having some reference recordings to compare to can help.
 
Put all the elements together in a mix using nothing but level to balance things a best as you can and listen carefully to how they interact.

Exactly.
I'm amazed at how many folks will approach a *mix*.....one track at a time. :D
They'll get all caught up applying all kinds of FX/processing to a single track...trying to make it sound good....and then they move to another track, immediatly slathering on the plugs-n-processing.
Level balance...basic pans...if it ain't already about 80% there after that...you're not going to save it with crazy FX/processing...and really, most tracks that were well recorded to begin with, almost mix themselves, and sound pretty good with basic level balancing and panning.
 
Exactly.
I'm amazed at how many folks will approach a *mix*.....one track at a time. :D
They'll get all caught up applying all kinds of FX/processing to a single track...trying to make it sound good....and then they move to another track, immediatly slathering on the plugs-n-processing.
Level balance...basic pans...if it ain't already about 80% there after that...you're not going to save it with crazy FX/processing...and really, most tracks that were well recorded to begin with, almost mix themselves, and sound pretty good with basic level balancing and panning.

Exactally
again :D
..Yes the best, highest quality on it's own you can capture, but still (really) in your best guess as to how it may/will FIT into the context of the mix.
Is this not as close as our skills allow us to get(?
..Then we do what ever's needed to make the mix work.
 
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