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I have all these units together to try to sync my MS-16 and TSR-8. I think I have all the right cables. If anyone has any experience with this set up I would sure appreciate your help.
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I have it all set up and have determined I need the cable that goes from the IF-1000 to the Accessory connector on the MS-16. Does anyone know where to find one of these? I have the cable that goes from the IF-1000 to the Midiizer.
jpmorris
Tape Wolf
I suspect you'll have to have one made for you. There should be a pinout for each end in the manuals for the MIDIizer (and/or IF1000) and the MS16.
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Do you have a link to a company that will makes these?
jpmorris
Tape Wolf
I suspect any moderately industrialised town will have a cable-making company. However it might be hard to find one who will do one-off or limited runs.
I've tended to make the sync cables myself.
sweetbeats
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Perhaps you are looking for this?
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I think so. I will have to look at the back of the IF-1000 to see what the connectors look like. But the accessory end for the MS-16 looks right.
sweetbeats
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I know its right for the the MS-16, and the 50-pin cinch connector on the other end is proper for the SLAVE I/F connector on the back of your IF1000.
My cable was custom-made to slave my Tascam 58 to an ES-50 synchronizer. It is the same cable for the MS-16, 388, 40 series, ATR60 series and ATR80 series. It'll work with your MS-16 for sure if it is to be the slave machine. Th only catch will be whether or not the pinout on the cinch connector on the IF1000 is the same as the ES-50. I imagine it is...its a standard protocol, but if you or anybody has a copy of the manual and can post the page with the slave cable pinout I might just have your solution. I sold my 58 and the ES-50 long ago and this cable has been for sale on eBay here in the US for weeks.
My cable was custom-made to slave my Tascam 58 to an ES-50 synchronizer. It is the same cable for the MS-16, 388, 40 series, ATR60 series and ATR80 series. It'll work with your MS-16 for sure if it is to be the slave machine. Th only catch will be whether or not the pinout on the cinch connector on the IF1000 is the same as the ES-50. I imagine it is...its a standard protocol, but if you or anybody has a copy of the manual and can post the page with the slave cable pinout I might just have your solution. I sold my 58 and the ES-50 long ago and this cable has been for sale on eBay here in the US for weeks.
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That link to ebay isn't working. How long is it? Did it work for your application? What do you want for it?
sweetbeats
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I didn't put up a link to eBay. I haven't relisted it again yet. PM me.
jpmorris
Tape Wolf
I have the Pinout for the IF500 if that's any use...
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I got the cable for the IF-1000 to connect to the MS-16, Thanks Sweetbeats! I spent 8 hours in the studio hooking all this up, it was tedious. After a few snags I got my TSR-8 controlling my MS-16. It is slow to chase the TSR-8 but it all works great. I now have every option to hook up my fleet of Tascams.
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I have just discovered that the REC function on my MS-16 slave does not engage when I press it on the TSR-8 Master. I don't know if this is normal or not.
jpmorris
Tape Wolf
I'd have thought so. It wouldn't be much use for dubbing between machines if they both went into record...
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I hadn't thought of dubbing between machines. I am using this to add new tracks to either machine. What instance would one want to dub to another machine while it is synced up? Also as long as tracks are not enabled the record button is not actually recording and the light blinks indicating it is in record ready mode.
sweetbeats
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You're talking about on the slave machine? The MS-16 blinks in record ready? But then if tracks on the MS-16 are record-enabled and you put the master machine in record mode the MS-16 doesn't follow suit?
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jpmorris
Tape Wolf
This is true, but is it really a problem to just press REC on the slave as well? FWIW, the ATS-500 manual only says that the machine movements will be mirrored - it doesn't say anything about record being slaved as well.
As for why you'd want to do a synchronized dub, a major part of this was for dubbing to video or a film recorder (which is why you have to choose a frame rate matching Cine, PAL or NTSC). There are also lots of situations where you want to bounce tracks back and forth, e.g. it's common practice when overdubbing on one machine to dump a bunch of tracks from the other into a guide track so that you don't have to keep the machines locked all the time, and also to save wear on the other tape.
How I'm working at the moment is using a TSR-8 and an MSR-24, with the MSR for the final song, and all the computer-controlled tracks. The TSR-8 is used for the played parts, e.g bass and vocals, stuff which I'm going to want to redo over and over again because I'm a shit performer. The good-enough version is then dubbed onto the 24-track for the final mix. Occasionally I have gone the other way around, with a track copied from the 24-track onto the 8-track for some kind of processing and then back to the 24-track again.
This also allows me to do trickery like using re-using the same take of the chorus in different places by frigging the timecode offset. (However that's usually done as an admission of defeat)
sweetbeats
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Okay. That sounds normal to me...that the slave would tally into ready but not actually engage into record mode. Think about it...this is a safety feature. Imagine not wanting the slave to record and you accidentally have tracks enabled...master goes into record and your grammy-winning-potential tracks on the slave are gone!
Whoops.
Best to have to take that extra step and punch REC/PLAY on the slave and tell it "yes I really mean for you to record now."
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Recording Wedge
I got an inspiration, I made a wedge out of a piece of wood and it fits snuggly in place. I push it down at a 45 degree angle and then rotate it until it is tight. I can now use the remote out in my main room, as long as I don't hit play to listen to the new track without removing the wedge I am all set. Having the button constantly pressed down doesn't seem to be an issue in all other transport modes.
I got an inspiration, I made a wedge out of a piece of wood and it fits snuggly in place. I push it down at a 45 degree angle and then rotate it until it is tight. I can now use the remote out in my main room, as long as I don't hit play to listen to the new track without removing the wedge I am all set. Having the button constantly pressed down doesn't seem to be an issue in all other transport modes.
