MPC 2000xl

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I was thinking about buying a MPC. But, I don't know if I would be wasting time and money if I already have the Motif 6. Would you recommend buying another sound module (triton maybe), better mic. Because I have a MXL990 and Shure 14a. The Motif has a sampler, but as far as time stretching i have to do it on my PC. Any help would be appreciated.
 
I dont own a mpc, but two of my guys in our crew do and I dont think you can reall go wrong with em. I dont know much about the Motif 6 so I cant say. Tritons are nice. Of course Ive only messed around with em in the store. Some are pricey but the do have good sounds. I own an MC-909 Sampler/Groovebox made by Roland. It has internal sounds that you can use and I do as well it can sample and from there you can do edits to the samples like chop. time strech, etc. But mpcs are like the standard gear in the world of hiphop, so it seems. If you really wanna compare gear you should to to www.zzounds.com/a--2676837 where they bread down the info on the products you are asking about, that is if you havent already. Also we just started use the MXL 2003
for recording vocals, dont know how that compares to your MXL, but we stepped up from a shure sm58, the condesor sounds nice and lot warmer.................

you can go to http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/pk21productions.htm and here some of the 909 sounds. The tracks Ive posted have no samples. Hope this helps some, peace.pm

www.impk21.com
 
Depends on How u like to work things

i have the motif 6 as well and the mpc2000xl....it's a shame because i only use the motif for it's sounds and arp's. I've neva used the sequencer on it, i've neva used the mixer function, i've never done sampling on it..........if not for it's sounds it would be pretty useless for me i guess. I also use it to make Gigastudio sound off and the mpc's sequencer takes care of recording everything.

the timing on the mpc is sooooo tight......with the motif it's hella easy to do sh*t. setting up the different midi channels to work between the mpc and motif is a breeze, plus the mpc has another set of midi connectors so u can connect it to the computer as well and sync the whole rig to ur software.

if you get one, let me know and i'll give you some pointers on how to set things up between the mpc and motif.

That Texas Fella
sugaty@aol.com
 
Thanks for the replies. Flossboy would you recommend the mpc 1000 or the 2000xl? Where can I find good drum samples and effects? Which DAW do you use to record you tracks? Currently I use Sonar 2.2xl with a ton of plugins. Hey PM! I'm thinking about getting a new mic also. I like my mxl990 but, I trying to step my music up just little more. I'm thinking about getting a B2 pro, AT4040, Rode NT1000 or NT2. Any recommendations? I working with quite a few guys from around my area that are doing demos. So, I'm want to start adding some new toys to my equipment list.

thanks
 
I've neva used the MPC1000

you can buy good azz drum samples and sound effects from a gang of places.....bangingbeats.com, mpcsounds.com, etc
you'd just have to download the free samples and pretty much judge off that or word of mouth...i'm kinda kicking myself in the foot because i paid $250 for a sample cd one time.....I still use the samples from that cd...matter of fact I don't use any other drum samples...sometimes i'll use something from the motif, but for the most part...my drumlines come from that sample cd.

this is my set-up
Dual 1.8 AMD MP joint
1.5gb ram
200gb hard drive with controller card(for music)
80gb for operating system and porn hahahha
Tascam Fw1884 for my sound card, for my DAW Controller, for my Analog Mixer....connected to the PC by firewire

Yorkville YSMP1a
MPC2000XL analog to mixer
Motif digital s/pdif to mixer
HBB Radius 5 Fat Man 2 compressor/preamp
Groove Tube AM52 mic
Gigastudio24 it came with the FW1884...it's a hella tight program for hip because you can have a gang of samples readily available to use without having to load the mpc's memory with sounds.....as these samples are available you can control them with the mpc or the motif as if you had the sounds loaded into either of the machines, plus still be able to use the sounds from the motif.......this is how that works....gigastudio has a virtual keyboard of 88 keys...now with midi you have 16 channels of 88 keys......you can build whats called an instrument(88 different samples, assigned to the 88 virtual keys on any given midi channel)...so when u do the math you can have access to 1408 samples, plus all the sounds on the motif, plus all the sounds you have loaded on the mpc, plus any sounds you load into the motif, plus any sounds from other modules you have.

I've only made a handful of beats on that joint so far, because i'm in the process of creating those instruments....i think i might get the upgrade to gigastudio24 which is gigastudio160 which allows me to have 64 midi channels of 88 keys/samples...damn that's like access to 5632 samples at one time......it would take your azz a year just to listen to that many samples on the MPC or the Motif.


As for software I use Samplitude 7. To me its hella easy, fast, algorithm-good......just the sh*t. I've seen protools and I liked samplitude wayyyyyy better...besides it's not proprietary...so when they drop the price of that 64chip athlon joint, I can upgrade.

To add to your equipment list I would definitly add the mpc. WHY???? because you the timing and thump will be there for your music. I hate to hear some cheese timed beats...I like to add some swang to this or some swang to that and the mpc does that sh*t tight. Besides that I have a live guitarist and with swang his guitars come hella tighter on the tracks since everything won't be so "precise"....the mpc timing is hella tight....and some people..when they first start using it this it think it sucks because they arent use to having to deal with "time & timing".....if you rap or if guys that you produce for have a problem with staying on the beat...this will definitly help out....I can't stand when people rap and dont be on the damn beat.

Another reason...if you have the motif and the mpc...your tonal/sound quality of your beats should be just as good as the very successful indie labels, which means your partnas can take the beat to a "pro studio" and get their vocals recorded on some u87's on some avalon pres or some ish......just having the good sound quality in your beats opens a gang a doors for you.....you can sale your beats to people and they can goto other studios and record on them not having to worry about recording on a "whimpy" beat.

I'll have to download a demo of Sonar and get back with you to tell you how I dig it. It's supposed to work with the FW1884 too , so I wanna see how it fairs compared to the functionality with Samplitude.

Hit me up if you got any more questions
"I don't Dis-crim-i-nate/I won't Dis-them-I share the cake/
That Texas Fella
sugaty@aol.com
 
Flossboy do you have any of your songs posted on the net? Have you ever tried EQing your own drums instead of using premastered samples?
 
Old website with music

http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/album.php?aid=2663&alid=-1

these songs were done back in like march/april except for "Heat of the Morning"....these were the unmixed/mastered versions but they still sound decent.

I don't really make a whole lot of adjustments to the samples unless it's making adjustments to the paramaters in the mpc. Since I've gotten gigastudio i'm planning to tweak my samples....most likely using samplitude with the plugins I have and then building Gigastudio instruments.....If I have to tweak a sound, I can tweak it....save it using the same name, and not even have to recreate another instrument in gigastudio.

The pre-mastered samples I use sound so tight that you really don't have to do much tweaking......but I have experimented by making some "over-the-board" tweaks and I've had good results(making some hellafied original beats).

It really just comes down to the person and their ears...and what kinda sound, vibe, or mood they are trying to get. Then it's a matter of tweaking until you get there.

I'm going to have some music up in about a month....I don't like messing around with websites like "soundclick.com" or "nowhereradio.com" any more. I just like have total control over how my ish is given to the public, and how my webpages look, etc. Plus I hate having to read that long azz agreement you have to read before you can use their websites for stuff. Plus, if a link goes down I can go in and fix the problem myself and not have to wait on butt-nuggets with lame time frames and excuses of why this and that happened.


That Texas Fella
sugaty@aol.com
 
damn 1100.00 for that mpc..? Why not just use an oxygen 8 and software..? Sorry not tryin to offfend anyone.. Ive been working on beats for about 2 months now and ive come pretty far but damn 1200.00 for that... Eeek i dunno if id want to spend that kinda money on that.. Is it really worth it..?
 
I often wondered that

After i got my mpc and made a few beats on it, i was hella happy. Then I started seeing all the new software programs that were coming out and it started to make me think...Do I really need this joint?

but like I said, I think it comes to your personal preference. After having that feelin, and experimenting more I'm happy as hell that I got the mpc. I started out way back when there was only Rebirth and sh*t. From what people tell me, that Fruity Loops aint no joke, but I'm the type of person that keeps using what I got because first you have to learn some new ish and learn how to integrate it into your whole setup. Second, most people haven't used all the resources of the equipment they have right now. Like I said earlier, I don't even use motif's sequencer, sampling capability, mixer, pattern mode, performance mode...nothing other than the sounds and tones it generates, so I got alot of learning to do.

I used to geek out when I would see what people had up in their studio, but now i'm like "That's kool and all but what do the beats sound like or What kinda sound can I get with your ish??"

Now b-face you said you were going to have some peeps come through to record......with the mpc you will have that "ooo--awww" factor going for you......Like in my previous paragraph, people geek when they see expensive equipment.......just make sure you know who you're dealing with, cause I've heard of fellas getting jacked for equipment.

It is expensive but if you take care of it, it should last you a hella long time. If you hustle and grind, you can learn that joint in a few weeks, make some hellafied beats, and make back yo cheese. To me, once I get rollin on beats with the mpc, I can do several beats in a row non-stop and 4 out 5 will be fire. I aint gun sit here and lie to you, but mayne I got about 450 beats...done in the last 6 months and about 325-50 are trill as hell.....not from just my stand point but others...people i dont even associate with that just walk by my room and hear sh*t blastin on my speakers.

Hit me up and I'll send you some beats cause I won't have beats up on my website for another month.


That Texas Fella
sugaty@aol.com
 
So explain..

I mean basically right.. you get a cd of samples.. pop it into the mpc load them up.. bang something out, send that to the computer and thats how it works..?

whats the difference between using an oxygen 8 and fruit loops?

Im not too familiar with fruit loops and all its options.. I was waiting to get a sequencer before i really got in depth with it..

Im just curious.. lol I like to know everything..
 
Im glad I read this post. Long sorry

Flossboy,
I got a few questions for you about the Giga and MPC setup. First off, I do not own a MPC but I sure as hell have seen people use them and I have played around with them. I have been tempted to get one for years, but really couldnt justify it once computers started coming out with all this new software. But one thing I can say and agree with Flossboy on is the timing. I have never seen any software or hardware sequencer that times stuff up the way the MPC does so quickly. I mean I can quantise software or try this or that,, but the MPC just does the sh@t. You have to be a real sorry producer with very very poor timing to not make a decent track on this thing.

My question for you Floss ( and im asking because I do this stuff seriously ) how does Giga fit into your setup. I know it's a sampler from the little reading I have done. Do you benefit from giga by having quicker access and more storage than the MPC? Most people I have seen with MPCs have that little zipdrive with them. I mean I used samples with mostly midi but its kinda cumbersome the way I go about incorporating them to my tracks. I can used them as sondfonts, or on one computer I can pull them into the SB audigy's memory and trigger them from Sonar XL2.2

I use no external synths. They are all softsynths as well as internal drums. I track things like bass, guitar, mics ,etc DI on different preamps.

Sonar is my main program. Its pretty much the nucleus of it all. I have been using cakewalk products since the early 90s. They have got a lot better and very professional but Sonar lacks one thing that the MPC does. The Timing,, as well as the quickness.

Ok, So I do not have a MPC. I have a sequencer , I can use samples, I can track audio, etc. Would I benefit by getting Giga if all I really want it for is the quick access to samples? Also Im sure I can trigger Giga from a bank/patch or something in Sonar. But can I tell Giga which output source I want the sound to come from. Right now I can use the audigy for just samples and use up to 24 seperate outputs for audio. These outputs go straight to 24 seperate channels on my DM24. I tweek everything in the DM24.

I also wish I had something like a motif (been thinking about it). I mainly want it for the sounds but mostly I want to send seperate synth patches to serpate channels on the mixer for tweeking. So something like a 8 port outboard like on a MPC would be da bomb. Right now I have to level and pan my synths in Sonar and send them stereo to the DM24. I can convert the midi synths to audio then send then seperatly but thats time consuming. SO I mostly seperate things like Kick, Bass, 808 drops, snare.

Sorry for the long post, but im trying to optimize my setup now for effecientcy. But as for the MPC, man they jump all over me in the studio with that damn thing. It's a beast.

Thanks
MAlcolm
 
Yeah, MPC IS A BEAST

Until you actually use it, I don't think you really understand what's it's capable of or how good it does with things.

Equipment Spec:
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Hardware
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Fw1884:
8 analog ins + 8 inserts + 8 XLRS
8 analog outs
S/Pdif in and out(2 digital channels)
Adat in and outs(8 digital channels)
4 sets of DIN 5 midi ins and outs
2 firewire connectors

MPC2000XL:
2 analog in and outs
2 sets of DIN 5 midi ins and outs

Motif:
2 analog ins and outs
1 set of DIN 5 midi in and out
S/Pdif in and out

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Software
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Samplitude 7.1
it's more of a recording program
it has midi sequencing and recording but it's not heavy on midi...so it's better to have an sequencer if you don't play instruments live.......alot of times i'll sequence the "meat and potatoes" of the beat, and then later i'll record live parts in and there through out the beat to change up each verse or hook or outro.

Gigastudio24
i don't really see giga as a sampler, i would play a record or song, record a piece out of it and use it as an instrument or sound. I see it more as a library but instead of books its for samples or sound files. It basically indexes your hard drive or cd-rom drive or any drive you have sound files on and makes them available for playing. Instead of uploading on the mpc, you can drag and drop a sample on to this virtual keyboard and control it's play with motif or mpc(like you would wit Fruity Loops)


Now the Setup
1. I go from the FW1884 to the pc by firewire connection........Now the FW1884 becomes my sound card, my midi interface, my DAW Controller(faders of the DAW Controller(DC) control the faders in the program, eq can be controlled by the DC, basically the whole program can be controlled with the DC so u don't have to use the mouse as much...for the folks that don't know what a DAW Controller/Mixer is......don't get it twisted, A "true" Daw Controller is not a mixer, meaning you can't plug your musical equipment to it and have your sounds run through it...it stictly controls the software program(s) you use, but the FW1884 is also a standalone mixer....so I can use it to connect my equipment and run my sounds through it or hits button on it called "Computer" and then it changes from standalone mixer to DAW Controller mode where it controls the program.

2. now Windows XP sees my soundcard as 8 analog ins and outs, 8 adat and 2 s/pdif ins and outs, and 5 midi devices(4 DIN 5 sets, plus the protocol for using it as a DAW is anoter midi device), Samplitude sees all the inputs, including the ADAT and S/Pdif inputs and outs and so does Gigastudio. Within gigastudio it sees your outputs and allows you to assign the sound to go out of multiple outputs if your sound card has multiples.

3. Routing of Sounds:
Motif to Fw1884 thru S/Pdif
Mpc to FW1884 thru analog cables(input 1 & 2)
Giga routes out of the computer thru outputs 7&8 and back thru inputs 5&6 of the FW1884, I haven't figured a way to keep the samples inside the computer and route them straight to Samplitude when Im recording a beat off the motif and mpc.

Routing of Midi:
Motif to MPC thru midi 1(in) & A(out)of the mpc
MPC to FW1884 thru midi 2(in) and B(out) of he MPC. <--- this is my midi connection for controlling software with the MPC or the Motif and syncing Samplitude with the MPC, so when I hit record in Samplitude the MPC starts up, so my beats are recorded in-sync when I record track by track.......which can get tedious ....I wish I could record multiple tracks into Samplitude. I'm hoping the MLAN technology will fix this.


So you can see all my sounds from the Motif and MPC route to the FW1884, plus the sounds of Giga route out of the computer to the FW1884 so everything hits my monitor speakers.


The Mpc is my sequencer .....for the Timing of course. With setup I could basically go without loading another sound into the MPC.....which I'm thinking about doing.....but sometimes things sound better coming out of the MPC than the computers.....seems like the MPC puts a little more "umph" into kick drums and snares, etc.... The touch sensitivity of the MPC works with giga also, i'm sure your keyboard touch sensitivity does too, so i can turn on "Full Level" of the mpc and it will play the sample off Giga with max velocity, or i can turn it off and hit the pads soft and it will play the sounds soft.

Another thing to look at is latency. You can use Fruity Loops controlling it with the Oxygen and use all kinds of other softsynths, but I think it would overload a pc, even if you do have a monster, but that depends on how much is going on........alot of midi traffic can get pretty hectic. It's like I usse the MPC for drums, Motif for melodies/basslines/strings/etc, and Giga for samples here and there, sound effects here and there., sometimes basslines .............Giga is the sh*t, coupled with the MPC for timing, cutting, and sequencing. I would say the MPC is more important than the Motif because you can always find sounds, double up or triple up to make them sound good, than to go spend $1600 on a keyboard that you will only use for the sounds in it, which are made of up to 4 different wav's, but then u gotta look at that this way.......would you spend all day listening to all kinds of sounds tweaking this and that just to build yourself a library of sounds?????? probably not so it's much easier and quicker to buy the Motif with sounds already sounding hella good. Not saying I'm lazy...well maybe....but I can always get my $1600 back, but you can neva get back TIME!!

I appreciate all the people that took their time to listen to all those wavs and build up these nice sounding libraries so I can platinum for making hellafied arrangements

That Texas Fella
sugaty@aol.com


If you feel I still didn't answer your question hit me back. I still feel i left something out hahahahha
 
Hey flossboy, I have been hustling since I got my first keyboard. After doing about 5 demos 3 months ago. Those recordings paid for the Motif. Do you ever use the Pattern mode on the Mo when recording to your DAW or you use Voice/Performance mode? Because the Instruments sound so much better in voice or Performance mode. What is that FW1884? I should get my MPC maybe by next Tues. I will hit you up as soon as it gets here.
 
I do everything in Song Mode. I then have 16 instruments(16 midi channels) to create beats with the MPC......before i figured out how to use 16 midi devices , I would use Performance Mode where I could use 4 instruements but hell after I found out how to use the Song Mode to do all my beats it really started getting crackin, because I could layer parts like use 2 different bass instruemtns to get the type of bassline i wanted. I now want to figure out how to change up the effects on each instrument without having to jump to Voice Mode, make a change, and then save the voice. From what I was getting out the manual, i'm supposed to be able to tweak the effects in like Mixer or Pattern Mode and still have the 16 instruments availible.

If you know how to do that ish let a fella know.

That Texas Fella
sugaty@aol.com
 
The FW!884 a super mixer
peep the info:
http://www.tascam.com/product_info.php?pid=269&nav=computer_recording



Once I got this, I got rid of my sound card, i got rid of my standalone mixer, it added more midi ports, and it added more control of the recording software.

I used to use a Darla20, a Mackie CFX12, and i had to use a Sound Blaster card(old azz joint to have a midi interface so I could sync the MPC with the computer).

I really wanted to get the Yamaha O1x joint cause it has MLAN, LCD screens, and digital effects in the mixer itself.
But Just read up on it

That Texas Fella
sugaty@aol.com
 
Say Mayne

Do u use the pattern mode on the motif??

Let me know what effects u can through on the sounds...if you can....I haven't figured out how to use effects on the sounds, since I sequence to the MPC instead of using the internal sequencer of the motif.

That Texas Fella
sugaty@aol.com
 
Yo floss, since the sound aren't actually being recorded on the Mo I don't know if you can do that or not. Hit those geniuses at www.motifator.com/forums. If you find out let me know. I will email you once the MPC comes in.
 
i still dont agree with that price.. anyone willing to pay that is a fool, you could go get a triton or a badass yamaha motif board.. which would be insanely wiser then having a sequencer... I mean i havent beeen making beats long but i made the shit i made with demo software and no sequencer, ive been playing the keyboard my whole life so its a natural thing and looking at it from every angle i tried too it just doesnt seem worth it.. i mean for what..? go get a triton LE or a yamaha psr 740( < the one i want) and make beats for days... dunno man maybe its a secret...
 
b-face said:
Yo floss, since the sound aren't actually being recorded on the Mo I don't know if you can do that or not. Hit those geniuses at www.motifator.com/forums. If you find out let me know. I will email you once the MPC comes in.

I use pattern mode for all production and then pattern chain the song for (X) amount of loops.. Once done convert it to a song and then open the SMF in Sonar... Tracking out a beat cannot be any easier.... The Mix mode should be a breeze to master.... From Pattern click on Mix... Eff send shows the verb, chorus, var effect, and dry send.... From mix mode click on the edit button... Now you can pick where you want your dual insert at (default track 1) This is good to know.... Click the arrow right 2 clicks and now you can select your variation effect (choruses, flanges, compression, overdrive, amp modeling, etc) Once selected go into eff send in mix mode and mix to taste...... Pull the dry send down and the Var up to get the full effect... Once done with your mix make sure to store it and save.......
 
^^^

What is the swing count that is in the MPC that is soo special ??????? Is it the ability to Groove them forward a lil and back to humanize it???? I love the pads though.. Everytime I do drums on the Motif im trippen off breaking a key.....
 
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