most versatile mic?

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Dot brings up some good points about the B-1. At 79 bucks a pop, it ain't tough to justify having a few around.

My own opinion, though, is that if versatility is a major factor -- as in you need it to be a performer on a number of different things -- It might be a better idea to spring for a little bit more and pick up something that has multiple patterns.

For a couple hundred bucks, you can have a CAD M-179 for example.

I'm not at all sure where Dot gets his 9's and 8's from on his B-1 scale. I mean, those number seem a bit exaggerated -- unless you're talking about some of the Schoeps, Josephsons or Brauners. :D But from a more realistic perspective . . . having the option of switching your mic to a hypercardiod or a figure 8 position makes a lot of sense. It would certainly add a point or two in favor of using one on snare, where you might use the null for a little more hi-hat rejection, for instance. You could also dial the patterns around to get just the right amount of room ambience, or to reduce / enhance proximity effect.

Then there's the bass rolloff and -20 db pad which can obviously be of great use in certain circumstances where you need to prevent overloading your mic pre on loud sources, or for reducing proximity effect, etc. Just some nice added features that can help out when you're not sure what situation you're going to be using it for.

Purely from a sound standpoint, I tend to think of medium diaphragm condensers ad being more versatile -- Shure KSM-32, Groove Tubes GT-33, or Audio Technica 4033 come to mind. But then you're getting in to a whole different price bracket that may or may not be justified for a beginner and his first microphone. :D
 
Beyer M88 is a good allround mic.

Vocals - great
Kick - great
Snare - great
Bass - great
Guitar (acoustic or amped) - great

Unfortunately for the same money you could get about three cheaper mics. But you wanted versatile. It does need a decent preamp for adequate gain.
 
Indeed the M88 is a great mic, I'm glad to have one, but this mic is way above the guy's budget and besides that, the M88 is not as versatile as the MD421. We're talking dynamic mics here.

OTOH I'm with Dan, the B1 is a good idea, a very versatile and neutral sounding $79 Large Diaphragm Condenser mic that will sound pretty good on most applications. You can't go wrong with it.
 
You'll be amazed how good drums can sound with a single mic in the sweet spot, even with a MD421.
 
Drumboi, take everyones comments here with a grain of salt. Consult other websites to such as rec.pro.audio, gearslutz, harmony-central, and recforum.prosoundweb just to name a few before ANY gear purchase. You cant go wrong with a shure 57 as your first mic. I've got great mics by Soundelux, Josephsons, and Coles...I prefer the 57 above all of the rest for my lead vocal. However, a quality preamp is an absolute must. I use a great river mp-2nv. 421s are also good mics.
 
This is my read on the suggested mics, and my dark horse suggestion.
1. SM57- Yeah it's a standard that isn't great on much but snare and sax, but it rarely totally sucks on anything. And- it is a reference point that any engineer understands. If you look at my mic cabinet, I've got $8000 worth of mics or so. I don't even use SM57, but there's one there, because you never know when you might need an SM57. It wants a good preamp, which your Behringer isn't. The problem with dynamics is that their output is weak, so you need to turn up the preamp a lot. When you turn up a cheap preamp, such as your board, it sounds like hell, as a rule. That SM57 through a good pre rocks, but you don't have one of those. It's my opinion that if you are using a cheap pre, you'll usually get better sound from a condenser, even a good cheap one.
2. Sennheiser MD421. It's still a dynamic, and in my opinion, not the best choice for you but- I agree with DJL and Han. It rocks, and is generally, for my purposes, a better mic than an SM57 for any source I could think of.
3. Studio Projects B-1- A simple, straightforward cheap condenser, very little color. Sometimes too accurate for vocals. If your vocalist sucks, it will suck big time, because it will tell the truth. For that guy (the one that sucks), I'd rather have an SM-57. B-1 is good on guitar, cabs, overhead. good on woodwinds, fair on strings and piano. For $80, what's not to like? And customer support is very good.

My choice in that price range? AKG C2000B. It's $180 with the H100 shockmount, which is very versatile. It has a pad and bass cut, unlike the B-1. It is good on vocals, fair on cabs and acoustic, rocks on toms, conga, etc. I have never used it on kick, no clue. CAD M179 is a lot like the B-1 with multipatterns, as is the Studio Projects B-3. If I were you, I'd buy the C2000B or the CAD M179, and consider MD421 when you have a much better preamp. Good Luck-Richie
 
That's a tough one...SM-57's, Sennheiser 421's. But for detailed acoustic instruments or overheads they aren't my cup of tea. The Sennheiser 604 and E609's are nice, I almost prefer those to the other two I just mentioned. For condensers I would say, if I absolutely had to, and on a budget, I could get by with Soundelux U195's for just about everything. It's very benign in the high midrange has just enough coloration but not too much, the fat mode allows a lot of versatility between getting a brighter or thicker sound, and the off axis response is quite good especially for a large diaphragm microphone.
 
A U195 for $200 or is that just the sales tax?

Seriously, I'm thinking about getting a B1 (again) to use primarily as a "practice mic", precisely BECAUSE it's relatively accurate.

IMHO this makes it a fine choice for someone starting out so that they can gauge how to improve-like that never ends!:)

Chris
 
The Sennheiser MD421 is one of the most versatile mics at any price... the MD421 sounds great on almost everything... the MD421 is a "MUST HAVE" mic IMO. Also, for many reasons I think a good name brand dynamic mic is better than a cheap Chinese budget mic for a beginners first mic.
 
Well, providing that you can find the one spot where all the drums are properly balanced you aren't ever going to get a STEREO image out of a single mic. (ecxepting of course stereo mics, which are in effect two mics in a single blody)
 
DJL said:
The Sennheiser MD421 is one of the most versatile mics at any price... the MD421 sounds great on almost everything... the MD421 is a "MUST HAVE" mic IMO. Also, for many reasons I think a good name brand dynamic mic is better than a cheap Chinese budget mic for a beginners first mic.

Don, the original poster is a 14 year old boy who is about to purchase his first microphone. He has a budget of a $150-200 max.

He is asking what will be the best and most versatile mic for such a budget.
That was a very smart move of that boy.

A new MD421 is above his budget, an SM 57 is not, an SP B1 is only $79 and will outperform a MD421 on acoustic guitar, OH micing and piano, to name a few applications.

The MD421 is a must have for any studio, but this 'cheap Chinese microphone' (B1) will serve this young boy just fine.

I am a pro engineer, I have more than 40 mics, some cost more than $4k and I tell you and this 14 year old chap that the SP B1 is a damn good bang for the buck, period. I use the B1 almost every day.

Drumboi, get a B1 and a 57, the 421 will come later.
 
Ok, whatever Han... I still think the Sennheiser MD421 is one of the most versatile mics at any price... and recommand that he should get a MD421 if he can swing it... and the Shure SM57 is a good recommendation also IMO, and he should be able to get a good used SM57 for about $40.

EDIT: Changed everything... lol.
 
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chessrock said:
For a couple hundred bucks, you can have a CAD M-179 for example.

Yup. That'd be my one mic anyhow on a budget. It's nice to have around at any price.

War
 
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