Most overrated???

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How can anyone even consider Jimi Hedrix to be overrated?????? He was groundbraking! The taste is another thing. Ask all guitar players mentioned here and you will hear that Hendrix is a great influence. His playing is everywhere, in most rock productions ever since.

The fact that he put guitar playing into another level would keep him out of beeing mentioned here as an "overrated"!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hans,
www.hagen.nu
 
hrn said:
How can anyone even consider Jimi Hedrix to be overrated?????? He was groundbraking! The taste is another thing. Ask all guitar players mentioned here and you will hear that Hendrix is a great influence. His playing is everywhere, in most rock productions ever since.

The fact that he put guitar playing into another level would keep him out of beeing mentioned here as an "overrated"!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hans,
www.hagen.nu

I totally agree that
 
I know I'm late on this.. but I just wanted to put another resounding OVERRATED vote in for Santana... dang that guy is so overrated it's not even funny.


P.S... I can also see how Jimi is overrated. He was more aboot "sounds" and "effects" then about sheer guitar playing talent... (groundbreaking new style notwithstanding... :p)

WATYF



(sorry to dig this one up again... :p )
 
BURN ME ON THIS ONE I DON'T CARE

KURT COBAIN : every time you see a top 100 or whatever poll in guitar mags he's always right there at th top .I liked some of there stuff,but,come on .as influence yes i can see that ,but ,hey th MONKEES influenced me but do i say they're great musicians ,i think not.......the FOO FIGHTERS kick their ass
 
Kurt Cobain???

I didn't even know he qualified for this discussion... :p Who would've voted him as one of the top 100 guitarists???? :eek:


WATYF
 
t's true

i may be talking to a different group here if i am then all th better ,but, its true go back a couple years to guitar world at their polls or just the covers and check, i bet he rivals hendrix for total coverage.....from dead guys that is

when i say different group i mean alot of guys i know think he's th shiznit,he would be in their top 5 right there with hendrix and page..but they are a younger breed
 
I dunno man... I don't see how anyone could think he's much of a guitarist at all, let alone "one of the best".

Don't get me wrong... they were a ground-breaking band... but just like with Jimi, the whole "ground-breaking" thing kinda overshadows the fact that they weren't all that "great" on the guitar... not that Cobain was anywhere near as good as Jimi. :p Seriously.. Cobain was a sucky guitarist. :p


WATYF
 
the new guitar heroes could be people like Dave Matthews.

I'm not saying this as a Dave fan, becuase I am not...I mean, I think he can play..but whatever.

In the end I think a new generation of guitarists would learn more from Dave than from 80s shredders though.
 
Axis said:

I enjoy listening to U2 but in my own opinion theres to much effects And repetitiveness in The Edges playing His good at setting a mood for the song but to me he sets the same mood for every song.

I think that's more a comment on U2, and not the Edge. In my opinion their couldn't be a better player for that band - and that band couldn't be any other way. They thrive on mood and emotion.

I would probably put Edge in a top 100 guitarist list, becuase I think that on a lot of tracks like Bullet the Blue Sky, he does great work.

But I guess if you like U2 or not has a lot to do with that. "Technical Ability" really doesn't mean much to me. I don't even think someone like Malmsteen has that much "technical ability" despite his speed. It's all in style to me, and Edge has it.

"Where the steets have no name" - wow.

As far as "Song Remains the Same" - I love Paige in that video...

Jeff Buckley - Overrated? I don't really think so, but it's a name i didn't see in the thread so far.
 
hmm, i just got really pissed off reading that Guitar.com top 100. es bullshit. really just the authors paragraphs about most of the people...

we should program an "auto guitar praise generator".

"chrisharris was simply one of the most invigorating guitarists of the past twenty years. with his landmark chops and undeniable attention to single string melody, harris has become a beacon for those looking to follow in the path of emotional guitar players. while many would wish to see more attack in some of his classic riffs, no one can deny the effect that his liquid-like playing has had."

classic moment: Old Yeller.
 
wes480 said:
we should program an "auto guitar praise generator".

"chrisharris was simply one of the most invigorating guitarists of the past twenty years. with his landmark chops and undeniable attention to single string melody, harris has become a beacon for those looking to follow in the path of emotional guitar players. while many would wish to see more attack in some of his classic riffs, no one can deny the effect that his liquid-like playing has had."

classic moment: Old Yeller.
LOL... :D

maybe they should make a guitar pedal that emits those types of accolades... :D


WATYF
 
ladies, ladies... :D

this discussion is worth nothing, really. it's only a matter of time every known guitar-player is mentioned in here.

so what is it good for? to put down each others idols?

"all bluesers are overrated" - that's something like the conclusion so far. great, really. maybe it's because everyone thinks he/her can play the blues, maybe it's because blues is one of the first chapters in our guitar-books. after you worked thru it you might think you're better than all those old blues-players... not all of us, but I'm sure like 90% think they are (and I think some of them actually really are).

there was a time when I thought hendrix was a wuzz... that was when I had been playing for two years. I didn't think I was better but I thought it wouldn't be long anymore until I could play like that.

as for b.b. king: I'm sure he hasn't got great technique and you (I don't speak to YOU GUYS personally ;) ) would polish up his playing by including sweeping and cool modes BUT he makes his lucille SING. try to immitate this, E. v. Halen (I bet Hendrix could)! By the way B.B. does some cool runs at live situations, mostly at the end of a song. so it's not just about 3 licks he does over and over again.

There's something I have to say about "old-days-guitarists" anyway: does anyone think back in the 50's someone seriously wanted to play any flashy lydian sweeping-licks? I guess the musicians of those days tried to play cool tunes - no matter if they were made out only of 8th notes of the pentatonic scale.

ok - they weren't great guitar-players when technique's in demand. so this leads me to the question: what is a good guitar-player? according to the entries I've read so far it's ONLY about technique, but that's half the deal.

maybe the thread-tilte should have been "most overrated guitar-technician". if it's about "guitarists" "musicianship" plays a bigger role than one might think. for me, a good guitarist adds a most suitable something to a song. that's all.

what does this mean? you can't compare guitarists, only technique.

... and this leads me to richie sambora, who I have to defend. first of all: how can he be overrated? did anyone anywhere say his technique is one of the finest (big-t*tted blonde groupies don't count ;) )? to call him overrated is the typical "I hate Bon Jovi"-attitude. Is he overrated because he wears a cowboy-hat now and then? Everyone who has seen him live knows that he's a great musician, a solid player and - few might know - a lightning-picker (not to mention his acoustic-playing). the "problem" is, he is a real blueser tending to understatement... then some jerks hear his easy solos and think that's the peak of his technical abilities.

ok, I do not want to take it any further here and most of all I don't want to say wich guitarists ARE overrated (in my eyes/ears) :) .

cheers

six
 
Please forgive me for bringing this back from the dead, but I've been trying to get a general feeling of how things work here.

I've been playing for a long long time now, and I must say, the more you develop as a guitarist, the more your views on the older, less sophisticated guitarists from the past change.

We have to consider what we mean by "guitarist". Do we mean techically? Or musically? Two completely different games here. Artists and technicians. (Some are both, ie : Satch / Vai)

Take Carlos Santana. A real sloppy player, slow fingers ... but how can you ever say ANYTHING about the melodies he wrote, back when he was 20 Y/O?! I could reproduce any of the songs, note for note, bend for bend, mistake for mistake, and given the right amp sound, you'd have a hard time telling who played it. But NEVER, EVER could I write a song that has so much emotion. That's why I'm sitting here in my basement typing messages on the internet instead of playing on a stage somewhere.

I bet alot of you guys are really good players techically, but can you write beautiful music?

Satriani is technically 100 times more advanced than Hendrix. Satch is also educated and a not a drug user ... but Hendrix brought something to us that no one else ever has. I also believe that Satriani has done the same, brought us beautiful melodies, emotional music and razor sharp skills, but has taken all of this to the next level.

I remember one beautiful evening in summer when I was around 11-12 y/o, I was sitting with my dad having a conversation about music, as we often did while he drank a 12 pack of beer. "Jimi Hendrix is a completely over-rated guitarist, and he plays so sloppy" I said. My father's half-shut eyes opened slightly and he smiled ... "you have so much to learn" he mumbled.
 
I must agree with everything Agtronic said except for his father's statement about Jimi. But, maybe I just have so much more to learn....


AL
 
Jimi Hendrix's performace of "Machine Gun" on the Band of Gypsys albm is one of if not the all time best rock guitar performances ever...
there is no way the man behind that guitar could be cosidered "overrated"....
mike
 
This thread only confirms my belief that guitar players (and yes I am one too) are some of the most pretentious know-it-alls on the face of the planet...
I guess I am too for pointing this out.
 
Reminds me...

...of a good joke.

Q: How many guitar players does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: 20. One to screw the lightbulb in, and 19 to stand around, muttering "I could have done it better."

Bottom line for me is, I still find it incredibly difficult to play 95% of the stuff Hendrix played. However, I mastered several of Satch's solos and songs back when I was 16 or 17, and it wasn't even that hard. I don't think I've ever heard a more natural, fluid, fascinating guitarist than Hendrix, and I don't think I ever will.
 
The Blues

Even said:
I'm gonna get flamed for this but....

Stevis Ray Vaughen. He's all fine and great, I like his style and flow. But by the same token he seemed to simply regurgetate the same licks over and over in every tune.......
You must not understand the Blues..thats alright ,I never really understood Van Halen or Steve Vie...But I new that the had special skills..No point in flaming music that you dont understand ,or even want to...The Blues guitar is about feeling ,and stayin in the groooove!!!Earl D.
 
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