Most overrated???

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James Argo,

A flamenco guitarist would not do rock better than a rock guitarist. Flamenco has it's own attitude in an advanced musical style. Rock has it's own, often expressed in a more minimalistic style. It's like art, you can express in different ways and neither is better or worse, it's all up to the receiver to judge.

Hendrix is not the God of guitar technically. But he is one of the guitarists who changed the rock scene.

Hans,
www.hagen.nu
 
I also have to go back to an earlier post that I did regarding Jimmy Page. I said that he was not influential and therefor overrated. As a soloist I dont think he was that good, BUT when it come to song structure and chord structures within a song...he was OUTSTANDING. Listen to...no im not gonna say Stairway To Heaven, but The Rain Song, Tangerine, Kashmire...stuff like that is awsome. He had a good rock feel too...Rock and Roll, D'yer Maker...
I always see Dimebag Darrels name in the ax-mags...WHATFOR?? The dude has his own ax by Washburn, his own amp by Randall...and for what??? can someone answer that one for me...
I think Mustaine was way better than Kirk Hammett
 
King Elvis,
About Jimi Page, Yes.

I think the album "Houses of the holy" is a masterpiece both as an album and in guitarplaying.

Hans,
www.hagen.nu
 
hrn,
It's true about that flamenco. Like I mentioned, I was one of his big fans long after he died, and indeed he brought rock into different upper level. I would say it Expression rock. Influenced by him in the way of expressing a rock is great. But as one of those greatest guitar player ? I will think twice. Izzy Stradlin...? I think he had never been in higher position on gosip chart than Slash. Izzy wasn't there for his guitar works, but for his briliance songwriting ability (most of GN'R's hits written by him).
:)
 
James Argo,

I didn's mention Izzy that way, you understood it wrong.

Another underrated guitarist: Alan Holdsworth. He's worth a bigger audience.

Hans,
www.hagen.nu
 
I didn's mention Izzy that way, you understood it wrong.
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:D Then how to get it right ? you just wrote...

King Elvis,
Izzy Stradlin.
:D


Another underrated guitarist: Alan Holdsworth. He's worth a bigger audience.
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Excuse me, but I think underrated guitarist is discussed in another thread... It's Overrated ones. :D
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James Argo,
I answered King Elvis, have a look at some posts back.

Izzy Stradlin??
Gilby Clarke???

The post was about the overrated Slash.

Ok, Alan Holdsworth's overrated then ;) Then we have a discussion.

Hans,
www.hagen.nu
 
I remember learning almost each and every one of LZ's songs early in my playing career. In retrospect, it was almost everything except the solos that attracted me to Zep music. I thought Page was an absolute god based on his recorded library. Then... I saw the film. I sat in the dark theatre absolutely horrified. I remember the break solo in Heartbreaker. It had just a TOUCH of sloppiness on the recorded version that I thought was kind of cool. In the film, I realized that Page took that touch and expanded it to an entire concert. The guy did not even attempt to sound like the record. His tone was the reason I hate Les Paul/ marshall combo to this day. I guess that in the studio, he knew exactly what he wanted and imparted an aura to the songs that really fit the times. He found new sounds and new rhythms. I think that live, the guy could not play a note of even his own stuff.
 
RICHIE SAMBORA!!!!
dudes, dont get me started on Richie Sambora...
Him and Jon BJ are like a friggin virus, man when the 80's ended you thought thank GOD no more Bon Jovi, but damn, they are still around. All that crap with them in cowboys hats and sh*t, what the f*ck was UP with that???:mad:
 
My 2 cents worth..
Eddie van halen.How many times can you use the same solo?I guess quite a few in his case.Im not saying that he didnt set a trend or that he didnt do anything revolutionary but trends suck anyway.

I think Hendrix was a sloppy player but he played with so much feeling and creativity that you cant help but like his stuff.

Most pop punk players.Im not saying that I dont like pop punk(oh wait,I am) but give me a fricken break!I know a kid whos been playing less than a year and can play every Blink 182 song perfectly.

Im gettin off of my soap box now.Mainly because I need another drink.
Cheers!
kev
 
Ok, where to start?! I believe that many of the people that RATE guitar players use a very narrow criteria to do so and every aspect of what comes out of the amplifier counts; as it should. Not only HOW the guitar player plays the notes he plays but the choice of NOTES, CHORDS, EFFECTS, and the WHY is very important. Then there are many other aspects to take into account such as the players tone, the players statement with this tone, the players choice of EQ; one thing that is SO overlooked is the VIBRATO which is essential for a guitar player to make the guitar "talk".

Anyways, here it goes: Jimi Hendrix is a GOD of the guitar much like Eddie Van Halen. Hendrix's tone is exquisite; his taste and choice of notes is outstanding; his musical statements are still admired; his technique "FOR HIS DAY" was impressive (we all have to remember that in the late 60's, there were no Impelleteris, Malmsteens, Kotzens, Halens, Vais or Petruccis); It's essential to listen to and analyze these "tip-of-the-iceberg" tunes by Hendrix before even considering writing his name in a the same sentence as OVERRATED.
Little Wing, Purple Haze, Castles made of Sand and All along the Watchtower.

Carlos
 
carlosguardia,
Hail agree!! Same to Jimi Page, Iommi, Oldfield, the guys in Judas Priest, the Lizzy guys, Angus Young, Mick Ronson, George Harrison, Pete Townsend (most underrrated of all maybe)................................

Hans,
www.hagen.nu
 
Carlos...
The songs of Hendrix that you mention are the ones where he does play great. But, in all fairness, Jimi relied on a lot of noise and effects, especially in concert, to cover for God knows what. I really think if Jimi would have spent more time playing and less time humping his amps he would have been great. Overrated, I would say so, I mean, he died over 30 years ago and he is still on the cover of countless guitar rags every year. How many more Hendrix tablitures do we really need. Did Jimi EVER play Wild Thing in tune?? What the hell is Purple Haze about??? If 6 was 9??? what the hell is he talking about half of the time?? Hendrix obviously was a great player or we would not still be talking about him. The question is not was he great or not but do we still need to be talking about him and reading about him to the extent that we do today??? I dont think so.
 
With all due respect to his royal highness ;)
Let me start by saying that I am not a big fan of Hendrix's style of shows, dressing or lifestyle for that matter. I'm not even a big fan of his music. I am, however, a very open minded MUSICIAN and respect everything that Hendrix did MUSICALLY. If Jimi Hendrix "relied" on noise and effects I don't know. I did not get to see him live, and the recordings I have of him are representative of the technology of that day in age. Most "rock" recordings from the 60's and 70's are very noisy; Hendrix's use of effects however were very innovative for he was one of the first ever guitar players to incorporate anything other than "fuzz" to his tone. And subjectively I must say that he used effects very originally and uniquely; many players still try to imitate how he used the wah!!! I don't want to address the amp humping statement for it has nothing to do with his music. The fact that many professional guitar players, many musical critics, and most if not every electric guitar teacher still admire his music IS WHY he still appears in so many publications; even so many years after his death. The meaning of Purple Haze, or what he is talking about half of the time is a matter than does not fit this thread or forum. Let's all try and stick to what we care for which is his guitar playing. Do we still need to be talking and reading about him to the extent that we do today?! I KNOW we don't NEED to do anything with regards to Hendrix's music; but most rock guitar afficionados CHOOSE to do so.
Carlos
 
King,...

With all the new-kids-on-the-block-guitarists with their flashy 100-mile-an-hour guitar riffs and their double-triple-hammer-ons,... the so-called new guitar virtuosos we have at present on the scene,... and with 30+ years of hindsight since Hendrix's death, it's easy for us to sit here and glibly say 'Hendrix is overrated', but he is surely not, or at least I don't think so, YMMV [ha].

Hendrix was a pioneer and innovator of guitar music. His music and creativity has left an indelible imprint on the Rock music world, and it's left the rest of us who call ourselves 'guitarists' to play catch-up. Hendrix's music, and even his use of 'noise' is still relevant today in Rock & Roll.

I'd say that almost any Rock guitarist since Hendrix is overrated, but Hendrix was defintely the real-deal. Hendrix took guitar playing to a much higher level than it had ever been before, and practically since, despite all the Yngwies, Eddies, Vai's, et al, that have come along since Hendrix's untimely death.

You know, it's funny, but Hendrix was really a soft spoken, humble, self deprecating individual, who never let his 'greatness' go to his head. He'd probably be embarrassed at all the hero worship that goes on about him these days. From what I've seen of the archival film footage, Hendrix was a very down-to-earth individual, who just wanted to make music and have a good time.

Of course, his appetite for drug intoxication was his undoing, but that does not take away from his musical legacy. I think you have to consider Hendrix in the context of his own time, the 60's.

Whether Hendrix is 'all that', or simply 'overrated', I'm sure is a matter of opinion, but IMO, Hendrix is not overrated.

Interesting discussion though.

Now,... IMO who's REALLY overrated???

ELVIS!!!!!!
 
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I mean, how this many years later that Elvis 'graces' the cover of so many music/entertainment rags, is beyond me. IMO, if Elvis would have stuck to the music, and not the hip-shakin', pelvis-thrustin' and fried-peanut-butter-and-banana-sandwiches, he really would have been great!

And furthermore, how many Elvis impersonators do we really need? Let the guy rest in peace!:eek:
 
overrated players?

kirk hammet? definately look at his solos.... they all have the exact same structure.... same crap different piles...

carlos santana in my opinion sux ass as a 'player' even in his time, but is a fantastic musician

and how could people say that players like hendrix is overrated? I mean his playing isn't all that special... but in context it WAS great back in his day... its just that 'overrated' players like satriani, and evh technically crushed him which only now makes him seem overrated
 
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