Most overrated???

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Yeah, eyeslikefire, I sometimes have a hard time believing it's the same guy playing "Tangerine" and "Communication Breakdown." But then who am I to say he's sloppy, eh? It's just that I prefer a Leslie West, who is very clean and very underrated, to Page.
 
Welcome to the discussion Beav...
I am gonna agree with you on BOTH points, Randy Rhoads is totally underrated. His tone has NOTHING to do with his technical ability which was awsome!! HE took HM guitar playing to the next level after Eddie VH then all the copycats came and he was kinda forgoten. Jimmy Page?? I love Zep, but I have never been influenced by JP because I never felt the he was influential. He played sloppy blues riffs and solos...it had all been done better by the originals!!!
 
I think the Edge is pretty overrated
Kerry King of Slayer, Kirk Hamlett and almost all of those other people who get alot of attention "because of their fast fingers and lighting speed solos"
 
eyeslikefire

"hrn, I am not refering to musicianship or vision OR song writing ability. I was refering to his guitar playing. "

If you have a vision and talent you get the chords and melodies right and write songs like "A stairway to heaven".

Musicianship, song writing and guitar playing are connected. A copycat could maybe do it better in the aftermath. The original is still the same and the right way to do it.

How many "Kashmir's" are there out there...

Still think Jimi Page should be in the hall of fame for his work as a GUITARIST.

Last, you cannot compare musicians from different periods without thinking about the time it was done!

Hans,
www.hagen.nu
 
I'm also gonna hafta take the minority view on Page here as well.

Okay, sure, his playing was pretty crappy in the film. But that's a bad place to start criticism, given the fact that most people and Zep themselves wished that project never existed. (And despite the sloppiness of the live "No Quarter" solo, the choice of notes is brilliant and learning it was a personal milestone in my own playing).

And most of you will really disagree with my next statement, but I don't hear anything wrong in the "Whole Lotta Love" solo (the real crap actually resides on "The Lemon Song" and the breaks in "Heartbreaker"), or hardly anywhere else on their later albums. When I hear the slurs in "Stairway", "Achilles Last Stand", or "In the Evening" it sounds more to me like he is playing across the bars, sort of the same thing as "in the pocket" drumming. It's the exact same approach that Angus Young (clearly a better soloist by far) uses, and if you think his soloing is sloppy, then perhaps it's best to agree on disagreeing.

Cy
 
Axis said:
I think the Edge is pretty overrated
Kerry King of Slayer, Kirk Hamlett and almost all of those other people who get alot of attention "because of their fast fingers and lighting speed solos"
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Yeah well, that argument is getting old. There's a whole generation that thinks soloing is taboo. Of course the shredders in the eighties are to blame, especially those trying to fill as many notes in a beat as possible. But you know what? Today's nu-metal bands suck. Nothing but white noise coming from borefest bands like Matchbox 20, Creed, Finger 11, Three Doors Down.

I listened to AC/DC's "Highway to Hell" today (thus prompting my mention of Angus in the earlier post). They are one of the only bands that you can't listen to sitting still. When the music starts it makes you want to air-guitar. Just about no one had that kind of groove back then, and none of the garbage on the radio provokes any other response besides taking aspirin and switching stations. AC/DC had riffage, groove, and solos. Metallica also had groove and the solos kicked ass (I'm referring to before they became sellouts). I find it ironic that a song like "Disposable Heros" has loads of groove and swing, yet when they hired Bob Rock to produce the black album, touting about how they wanted to slow down, get groovier and heavier, the best they could do was "Sad But True" which isn't rocking but rather slow and stupid.

You also say Edge is overrated. Why? He isn't like King and Hammet. He was one of the first textured/non-note/feel players (actually I first heard that style from Alex Lifeson.. but man, don't even get me started on his later stringy snot approach to soloing)..

I don't have a problem with either approach. I just get sick of all the whining about the guitar playing in the 80s, when there is nothing remotely appealing about the mass-produced garbage of the 90s.

I think my age is finally starting to show. ;)
 
I wasn't implying (sp?) that The Edge was like Kerry King or Kirk Hamlett.

I enjoy listening to U2 but in my own opinion theres to much effects And repetitiveness in The Edges playing His good at setting a mood for the song but to me he sets the same mood for every song.

Everyone has they're own opinions, likes and dislikes.
 
hrn,
I'll give Page his props as a writer.
And if the women love you...............
You Da Man ! :)
 
I don't know if anyone said this but...Lenny Kravitz. I call him Crummy Kraphitz.
 
"Ok now I KNOW I am gonna get burned for this but....

JIMI HENDRIX!!!! "

A lot of the stuff you typically hear is later in his carrer. I have a video where he is visibily frustrated with his playing. Watch the montaray festival. There's not a whole lot of lead playing, but every time he touches the guitar it's magic.

Doug H
 
People argue that Hendrix was a great player "for his day." Bull*** Jimmy Page could play circles around him, and so could Jeff Beck (but maybe he was a bit later...) Hendrix was brilliant at creating sounds, but as a player, I think he is the most over-rated player in the entire history of the universe. And "for his day" - what's that supposed to mean?? Segovia was an awesome player "for his day," and guess what.... there's still not a soul who can touch him.

Did Hendrix create a totally new standard for guitar tone? YES!! Did he change the landscape of rock and roll forever? YES!! Did he play with a lot of emotion? YES!! I'm with you on all of these. Was he a great PLAYER?? I suppose the arguement here is more of the semantics of what a great player is. My definition, for the purposes of comparing more tangible things, is raw skill - technical ability, etc. Feel can't be measured....

If he's such a great player, why can many guitar players with only a few years of playing under their belt play a lot of his leads and songs? I don't know ANYONE, by comparison, who can play Fernando Sor's Theme and Variations on Mozart's Magic Flute as cleanly, and at the same tempo as Segovia. NOBODY!! Sure, this example is a bit outside the focus of the discussion, but it is a good illustration of what I mean by raw skill.

Feel... yes Hendrix had feel.... so do/did Jeff Beck (listen to the solo for People Get Ready...), BB King (so much feel and emotion in a single note.... ) I'd take BB King over Hendrix based solely on feel (and because of that, perhaps, is why I revere him...) but I believe that Hendrix was a more skilled player. I believe that Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page were more skilled than Hendrix. (making sure to focus on players who were active in the same time period.)

SRV and Vernon Reid of Living Colour, also by comparison, never missed an opportunity to rave about how much of an inspiration Hendrix was to them. Funny, though, that both ultimately became WAY better players.

Chris

....flame at will :D :cool:
 
For me it's SRV. I can't get into his music. It's kind of boring to me.
I'm not really concerned if someone is sloppy, necessarily. I just listen to how it makes me feel. Technical skills don't really impress me either. Unless they can use it to make me feel what they're feeling. I used to try and emulate some of those guitar gods when I was younger, until I listened to the guitar riff on "Good Love" that old rock and roll song. It's simple, yet it rocks. That had a major effect on my playing and composing.
 
The guy from Azia! Steve Howe? I saw him do a solo on an old Azia concert video and he was aweful.

Paul Gilbert
Dimebag Darrel
Kirk Hammett
Dave Mustain

these guys are good but I still think they're overrated. Gilbert probably smokes all of em' but he's too calculated and "machinelike" in my opinion.

RF
 
Most of those that were mentioned above are in the top 10 on this list
Top 100 Guitar Players
There were a lot there that I didn't recognize and some that I thought shouldn't be there and a few that I thought should be there but weren't ...Lists sure do suck, don't they???
I can't believe they left Nancy Wilson off...what a bunch of sexist.
She is way better than Stevie Vai, Randy Rhoads or Tommy Iommi...
 
Sorry King,...

I can't come out and say that any person, famous or otherwise is an overrated guitarist, when I am a low level guitar hack.

On the other hand, that fool that calls himself "Slash" has always been my least favorite guitarist. Is "Slash" overrated? I think he's just a guitar playin' fool in a foolish hat, with foolish looking hair, foolish cliche cigarrette, and that whole foolish act he used to work for. They were all a bunch of fools.
 
A Reel Person

At least Slash, got his fame by the hat, well that's how the music industry works. The other guitarist who left the band (forgot his name) wrote some good songs though.

Hans,
www.hagen.nu
 
Hendrix...
I'm a big fans of him, but call him a God Of Guitar ? gimme a break... he was never even heard touch flamenco...
 
hrn said:
A Reel Person

At least Slash, got his fame by the hat, well that's how the music industry works. The other guitarist who left the band (forgot his name) wrote some good songs though.

Hans,
www.hagen.nu
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Izzy Stradlin??
Gilby Clarke???
 
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