Most blatant clone ever

[TragikRemix]

i think all of the beatles are clones of one...

which is which??

 

[zacanger]

In my opinion, SRV sounded more like Albert King than Hendrix. He definately did his own thing though.

Seeing as he idolized Hendrix and early on, Albert King was a huge influence, both make sense.

 

[TelePaul]

Would you care to qualify your comment?

Also, Donovan had made the switch from the rawer folk/blues style to his "psychedelic" style at least two years before Nick Drake even started recording his first album...............so who followed who?

Uhmm would you care to qualify YOUR comment? You're the one that said they were the same. Also, Donovan emerged from a British Folk scene that incorporated little Americana other than Leadbelly covers done by Lonnie Donnegan....do you think he stumbed across woodie guthrie-esque folk?

 

[MadAudio]

Speaking of influences, Buddy Guy was a big influence on Hendrix. Sorry if that's already been said and I missed it.

 

[ausrock]

32-20,

OK, I'll be more specific for you.........would you care to qualify this statement of yours..........."When the money dried up, he altered his style to suit the burgeoning psychedelic scene. And was still derivative."


"You were the one who made the comparison between those two, not me. I can't find any common ground between them apart from the acoustic guitar."...............maybe it's more in the production but even my 24 year old could hear the similarities when I first pointed it out a long time ago. And regardless of anything else, Donovan was "established" in the scene close to 4 years before Nick Drake entered a studio, so again, "who followed who"?


Tele,

I said........"the nearest thing to Donovan is probably Nick Drake."........not that they were the same. There is quite a difference in meanings .

As for Donovan's early influences, if I recall correctly, he got into the "folk scene" while at art school and (as with many others), Woody Guthrie was an early influence but it was only about 18 months or so after his rise to prominence that he moved to his brand of "psychedelic" folk.

For what little it's worth, by '69 I was already playing the coffee shop/folk scene, listening to Dylan, Guthrie (later Arlo), Donovan, etc., my interest was kinda shifted once I heard The Band's Big Pink .

If you really want to find clones, look no further than the likes of Sabbath, Iron Maiden, More, Wildfire, Gillan, etc., most of the bands that fall into the NWOBHM .

 

[rayc]

Ausrock's point about Trower in Procol H is valid. No one said this was time specific. In Procol H he played an exciting, progressive style of guitar that was perfect for the ensemble he was in. When he stepped forward to be a solo artist he found, as most guitarists who become solo performers, that he needed flash, gimmicks and hyperbole. Like most similarly stated solo instrumentalists he had to compensate for not being able to communicate terribly well in a linguistic way & the biggest, best soloist/showman of the era was Jimi so he copped a heap of stuff from the master things hadn't progressed technically too far & he wsn't going down the Beck path so it came naturally. What are Satriani etc but technical steps down the path from Jimi (lacking the style, expression, acceptable lyrics & emotional content) basically revisting most of the show stopper performance whilst eschewing the teeth, lighter fluid & smash 'em up aspects). Clones that have had additional gene modifications I suppose.
Poor old Donovan, I can understand why he's so unhappy - perpetually written off as Dylan clone & bandwaggonning hippy psych. If a few of the people making such statements took a look at the chronology & geneology of those musical progressions they might give the poor fella a re appraisal.
& yeah the NWOBHM is a classic case of the diminishing returns of staying in the one DNA pool.
SRV wasn't a direct Hendrix clone - he used a slightly heavier Texas Blues lean when channelling Jimi to play his almost note, bend & feedback perfect renditions of the Hendrix Canon.

 

[TelePaul]

32-20,

OK, I'll be more specific for you.........would you care to qualify this statement of yours..........."When the money dried up, he altered his style to suit the burgeoning psychedelic scene. And was still derivative."


"You were the one who made the comparison between those two, not me. I can't find any common ground between them apart from the acoustic guitar."...............maybe it's more in the production but even my 24 year old could hear the similarities when I first pointed it out a long time ago. And regardless of anything else, Donovan was "established" in the scene close to 4 years before Nick Drake entered a studio, so again, "who followed who"?


Tele,

I said........"the nearest thing to Donovan is probably Nick Drake."........not that they were the same. There is quite a difference in meanings .

As for Donovan's early influences, if I recall correctly, he got into the "folk scene" while at art school and (as with many others), Woody Guthrie was an early influence but it was only about 18 months or so after his rise to prominence that he moved to his brand of "psychedelic" folk.

For what little it's worth, by '69 I was already playing the coffee shop/folk scene, listening to Dylan, Guthrie (later Arlo), Donovan, etc., my interest was kinda shifted once I heard The Band's Big Pink .

If you really want to find clones, look no further than the likes of Sabbath, Iron Maiden, More, Wildfire, Gillan, etc., most of the bands that fall into the NWOBHM .

Are YOU Donovan??

 

[32-20-Blues]

Are YOU Donovan??

Yes, I was wondering the same thing.......come on now, admit it.

'For me to love you now, would be the sweetest thing,
'Twould make me sing, Ah but I may as well be blowing in the wind'

 

[capnkid]

Vito Bratta cloned EVH.

 

[ausrock]

Are YOU Donovan??

God, that cracked me up. As much as I like(d) his music, a Donovan concert I saw back about 30 yrs ago was the worst bloody concert I've ever been to. As an aside, the best have been Jethro Tull .

BTW, TP, where are you?

I wonder if anyone can figure out the common thread between 3 of those bands I mentioned .

 

[32-20-Blues]

TP and myself are Irish. How come Donovan was so bad? And yeah, Jethro Tull would be amazing live, I would imagine. As for myself, worst concert ever was the Eagles, best was Neil Young.

 

[Darrel Willis]

If a clone cant be made ...

One musician that I cannot find where he got his "ideas" or who emluates another is Allan Holdsworth ...Allan comes from a completely original place . There was a guy named John Clarke who played kinda like Allan , but had is own sound . Allan's playing cant be pigeon-holed . It would be so hard to even mimic Allan . This may be the reason why Steve Vai once said , " Oh my god , how does he do that?, " in a Guitar Player interview. There may be a Tal Farlow ( old jazz) influence , but which came first , Allan Holdsworth or the "egg" ?

 

[ausrock]

.................. How come Donovan was so bad? ...............

He was totally under the influence of "some substance" and was somewhere else for the whole show .

 

[SBax]

You were the one who made the comparison between those two, not me. I can't find any common ground between them apart from the acoustic guitar.

Regarding Drake and Donovan? Drake's vocals sound exactly like Donovan. That's why I never made it through Way To Blue.

 

[SBax]

Who do y'all think the most blatant clones are?

My vote goes for Robin Trower.

Yeah, in the early 70's Trower used the pedals abd the exact same settings as Hendrix. That's the problem. Univibe anyone? Oh yeah, throw in the FF, Strat and Marshall stack set up exactly the same. Play the same, etc.

 

[ggunn]

TP and myself are Irish. How come Donovan was so bad? And yeah, Jethro Tull would be amazing live, I would imagine. As for myself, worst concert ever was the Eagles, best was Neil Young.

Hard for me to say who was the best. The Grateful Dead, Pink Floyd (the Ummagumma tour), the Allman Bros. (with Duane and Barry), Blue Oyster Cult (in their prime), Jethro Tull (the Thick as a Brick tour), Savoy Brown (the Street Corner Talking/ Hellbound Train tour), Van Morrison, It's a Beautiful Day, AC/DC, Ultravox (the Vienna tour), Jo Jo Gunne, Rory Gallagher, Jimmie Spheeris, Paul Simon... (the list goes on) all seriously blew my skirt up at one time or another.

The worst, however, no contest (excluding the Fake Fleetwood Mac show, which wasn't really them at all), was the Doors. Morrison looked like a street person, and he was so drunk that he was staggering around the stage. He left the stage during an instrumental break and didn't come back until after Manzarek and Densmore awkwardly had ended the song, when he was bodily thrown back onstage by a security guy. They started another song, and Morrison stumbled up to the mic and began mumbling the lyrics to the previous song. Manzarek kept looking at his watch, and a couple of songs later, Densmore hurled his sticks onto the stage and stalked off. Sort set, and no encore.

I found out years later that that was the last time those guys were ever all together in the same room. It was interesting from an historical perspective to have witnessed the breakup of such a major act in real time, but it stands out musically as the worst concert I ever attended.

 

[TelePaul]

Regarding Drake and Donovan? Drake's vocals sound exactly like Donovan. That's why I never made it through Way To Blue.

They ARE both English....

 

[TelePaul]

He was totally under the influence of "some substance" and was somewhere else for the whole show .

I liked Neil...and Bruce Springsteen is probably the most charismatic performer ever. Also liked Counting Crows, their live shows vary and I was there for a great acoustic gig. Would love to see Van..