More professional ? Cubase, Logic Audio, Samplitude ?

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big studios dont know everything. i think too many small studios base their buying decisions on the wrong criteria ie: what the big studios have.. try the demo of powertracks at pgmmusic.com, talk to some forum users. very pro people on there plus people who have BIG STUDIOS. this is a 29 dollar package that does 24 bit as well as 48 digital audio tracks.
you could give any big name producer this package, and he would create very good commercial songs. that would play on the radio.
its more than software. the power of the pc plus audio studio or
powertracks is more power with a good sound card than when the fab four recorded on 4 tracks. or make that probably two
4 tracks where they were bouncing one to the other.
i'm sorry - i just dont buy this you have to pay a big price approach. ive been in many big studios. but the times are changing. within 2 years any kid with a daw and a under
100 dollar package will be able (can already) to create
beautifull songs if he knows the ins and outs of engineering.
 
I don't think you'd see many top-of-the-line studios even consider Samplitude for their main DAW rig, whereas many are already starting to switch from PT to Nuendo. Samp's simply not considered to be up there with the big boys.
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That's true, and I think it's a shame. From digging around in it a little, it's a pretty incredible program, and better than "the big boys" on many fronts. If there's a limit to its audio capabilities, I haven't seen it. Nuendo was talked about as the next great thing a lot about a year ago, but I haven't heard much about it since. My take on it is the same as it's sister app Cubase SX... overpriced for what you get. But Nuendo has the added indignity of being ugly as hell. I personally can't get past that old-school windows user interface. Call me an aesthete--Samplitude is as slick as I've seen. Pricey though.
 
Nuendo's changed quite a bit with version 2.0. A lot prettier now.

In my opinion, it really is the most flexible, powerful, and efficient program out there. But I won't stop saying that Samplitude is great as well - it's just competing on a slightly lower front.
 
Re: big studios

manning1 said:
big studios dont know everything. i think too many small studios base their buying decisions on the wrong criteria ie: what the big studios have.. try the demo of powertracks at pgmmusic.com, talk to some forum users. very pro people on there plus people who have BIG STUDIOS. this is a 29 dollar package that does 24 bit as well as 48 digital audio tracks.
you could give any big name producer this package, and he would create very good commercial songs. that would play on the radio.
its more than software. the power of the pc plus audio studio or
powertracks is more power with a good sound card than when the fab four recorded on 4 tracks. or make that probably two
4 tracks where they were bouncing one to the other.
i'm sorry - i just dont buy this you have to pay a big price approach. ive been in many big studios. but the times are changing. within 2 years any kid with a daw and a under
100 dollar package will be able (can already) to create
beautifull songs if he knows the ins and outs of engineering.
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Everything you said is true, but that doesn't mean that big studios aren't making the right choices. Amateur kiddies don't know everything either.

One of the biggest considerations for rolling out a new software DAW package in a big studio is how time-efficient it is. If you can get more done faster, a commercial studio is willing to spend a great deal of money if only for that added working efficiency. Of course you can end up with an end product that's just as good with a $49 program, but it'll take you 5 times the hours, and you won't have the power and flexibility to always do exactly what you want in a DIRECT way (you have to figure out indirect methods of routing or copying a track or automation or editing etc etc with cheaper programs.)
 
bleyrad said:

I don't think you'd see many top-of-the-line studios even consider Samplitude for their main DAW rig, whereas many are already starting to switch from PT to Nuendo. Samp's simply not considered to be up there with the big boys.
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Samplitude can run editing rings around nuendo, pt, cubase etc. and SOUNDS better. the only reason its not considered is because they don't have as much marketing dollars as steinberg or PT...PT doesn't even have auto delay compensation and thats the Studio standard...that shows you that quality takes a back seat to marketability
 
bleyrad said:
Nuendo's changed quite a bit with version 2.0. A lot prettier now.

In my opinion, it really is the most flexible, powerful, and efficient program out there. But I won't stop saying that Samplitude is great as well - it's just competing on a slightly lower front.
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what the hell is this lower front? Samplitude can do MORE things then nuendo and its WAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY more stable then nuendo 2...the only low front i see are marketing dollars on MAGIX part...
 
top of the heap

no ones mentioned saw studio. if you are serious about spending lots of money on software, i would maybe look at this. very slick.
i MUST agree with the other posters. if you have money
the samplitude pro is THE package to get. But i stay my ground and state audio studio at 49 bucks is a mighty fine deal.
at rock bottom price ie: free in computer music magazine is the
muzys multitracker.
i'm hoping ardour under linux will come to the fore in the next couple of years. ardour looks really nice. an amazing programming effort.
 
I have never used samplitude and I won't bother cause I am very comfortable with Cubase and Nuendo. Nuendo with my set of waves plugs is pretty much all I need software wise.

Exactly how does samplitude have more to offer??
 
Teacher said:
Samplitude can run editing rings around nuendo, pt, cubase etc. and SOUNDS better. the only reason its not considered is because they don't have as much marketing dollars as steinberg or PT...PT doesn't even have auto delay compensation and thats the Studio standard...that shows you that quality takes a back seat to marketability
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Sounds better?
This is, I think, a bit misinformed.
Better than PT, yes. Better than Nuendo? No.

Nuendo/SX is widely regarded to have the most accurate audio engine out of all the programs.
There's a big DAW-summing A/B test out there. I can't find the link right now otherwise I'd post it. Basically the gist of what most people go out of it was that

- The sound differences between any of the DAW programs is far less than you think - essentially nothing.

- The sound difference even between any DAW program and a good ANALOG board is less than you think, surprisingly.

- PT has some math errors and no delay compensation, putting it near the bottom of the accuracy line (this doesn't mean it always sounds WORSE)

- Nuendo/SX was regarded to have the most accurate summing math and audio engine.


On a different note, tell me what these "editing rings" are that Samp can run around Nuendo. I use both Samp Pro 7 and Nuendo 2.1 on an almost-daily basis. Nuendo is more intuitively powerful, period.
 
www.samplitude.com ... click on Samplitude, then features. It took me about an hour to read through all the features. It does a lot. Not sure how it stacks up against Nuendo's audio features, though I think it's safe to say the object-based editing is unique to Samplitude.

Nuendo does look a lot better now, I'm looking at screenshots. Basically, they made it look like dark gray Cubase SX. I'm wondering what it is about Nuendo that differentiates it from Cubase SX now that they have practically the same interface? I believe the audio engine and mix buss are the same...
 
Teacher said:
what the hell is this lower front? Samplitude can do MORE things then nuendo and its WAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY more stable then nuendo 2...the only low front i see are marketing dollars on MAGIX part...
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More stable? Not in my experience. Both programs have been 100% for me. I know that a lot of guys have problems with Nuendo 2.1's stability then it turns out they were using cracked copies. I've never once had it crash or do anything funky on me.
Same with Samp, mind you. But one is not above the other in the stability front IMO.

Again, please name these "MORE things then nuendo" that Samp can do. I'm sure interested in your experienced enlightenment, considering that I know both programs basically inside out.
 
- Nuendo/SX was regarded to have the most accurate summing math and audio engine.
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This was *not* a result of the shootout you are talking about (on ProRec, right?) Basically, you hit the nail on the head with your first statement: the sound difference between the audio apps is essentially nothing. No one could confidently say that there was a "best" result from that test, and that this "best" result was Nuendo or Cubase SX. Nuendo may be better for other reasons, but after listening to that test, I wouldn't say it's for the audio engine or mix buss.
 
i could be mistaken but i'm pretty sure the test i'm talking about wasn't done on ProRec. i think i remember finding the link to it on the ProRec forums though.

also, i said "most accurate" not "best".

put into theoretical situations, the sx/nuendo engine would always sum up with the most mathematically correct result.

in any case, regardless of whether or not you want to argue that point, i think we can all agree that the statement of Samplitude "sounding better" than Nuendo is false.

and even though I think the Nuendo engine is potentially more accurate, I'm not naive enough to say that that makes it sound better than Samp, either. I really doubt anyone in the world could actually hear a difference.
 
PS I found the test. I don't have a link right now but it was by Lynn Fustons and the tests were the "PT versus Neve" CD and the "DAW Summing" CD.
 
to my knowledge no program does object based editing but samp/sequoia and the only other program that has the freeze function to my knowledge is Logic....those are 2 extremely key features for a mixer IMO...well for me anyway
 
i haven't heard the awesum/dawsum cd but when it was discussed in gearslutz...a few of the more experienced engineers said the best sounding DAWs were Pyramix, Paris Samplitude it was most likely extremely suttle but the awesum dawsum cd was far from a real world circumstance anyway who mixes in the box w/o using plug-ins? or at least a volume fade or pan? this is where the errors in each program become exposed...
 
Teacher said:
to my knowledge no program does object based editing but samp/sequoia
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actually, pretty much every program out there has an equivilant feature. on steinberg's stuff it's called "events" not "objects".
 
I think that's a different feature. I could not find a similar feature in Cubase or Nuendo. We're not talking about automation here. We're talking about two clips on the same track, one has one set of plugins, one has another set of plugins. I don't think anyone else does that. However, there are a lot of features in Nuendo that Samplitude doesn't do, as far as I can tell...
 
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